Offensive weapons bill announced

[reloader54]

What we really need, due to unending Political correctness could never now be achieved. We have gone through too many years allowing idiots to make the laws, starting with joining the Common Market. The only way out I am afraid will be either Civil War or Revolution, and you younger folk mark my words in twenty years time. I said what was going to happen to this country 50 years ago and so far I feel like Nostradamus, because it's happened.

with the way this country is heading,ie, divided over so many issues, it's only a matter of time before there's a real serious train wreck and if the powers that be wish to contain/control that,,, removal of anything that might influence the outcome not in their favour they will attempt to remove, that includes almost everything from the tommy robinsons and their followers, to 50 cals and kitchen tools. you think it's dodgy now with brexit stalling and getting nowhere, wait until next year, excrement and rotors comes to mind.

there have always been people who have realised this as in fh,s above post,,, and their numbers are growing,, and boy are they ****ed.

 

[Roro]

with the way this country is heading,ie, divided over so many issues, it's only a matter of time before there's a real serious train wreck and if the powers that be wish to contain/control that,,, removal of anything that might influence the outcome not in their favour they will attempt to remove, that includes almost everything from the tommy robinsons and their followers, to 50 cals and kitchen tools. you think it's dodgy now with brexit stalling and getting nowhere, wait until next year, excrement and rotors comes to mind.

there have always been people who have realised this as in fh,s above post,,, and their numbers are growing,, and boy are they ****ed.

I heard, years ago that a police/government memo was leaked, but not widely reported on (i wonder why). That the powers that be expect a serious societial breakdown in the next 20-30 years. They want to have as many firearms removed from public hands, as it will, in their opinion, only make things worse.

When you consider the freedoms people used to have years ago, reasonably lax firearms licencing, the ability to buy many drugs, and chemical substances, even down to things like weedkillers, that are impossible to buy without a licence now, the banning of a huge swathe of firearms types, you can see there might be some truth in this. Even if it is not, you can see the direction things are heading.

 

[finnbear270]

What price preppers now?

 

[stubear]

Well I finally got a response from my MP (Damian Hinds) on this one;

Dear Mr XXX

Thank you for your email. I am sorry to disappoint you but I support this Bill. Serious violence is increasing and the Government has brought forward a multi-strand Serious Violence Strategy to tackle this increase. The Bill is a key part of that Strategy.

I am not a sportsman but I understand that high energy rifles are incredibly powerful weapons that could cause very significant public harm if they were to get into the wrong hands. I am told that these weapons are more powerful than the standard British Army rifles, have a range of several miles and can, with certain ammunition, breach the body armour worn to protect soldiers in combat.

There have been occasions when the weapons to be prohibited by the Bill have fallen into the wrong hands. In one case, the licensed owner of weapons, including a .50 calibre rifle, was involved in the firearms and ammunition supply chain of an organised crime gang in the West Midlands.

I firmly believe that the Government has a duty to safeguard the public and to take action in this area but I am grateful to you for taking the time to write to me to put your view.

Kind regards
Damian Hinds

So in summary ".50 cals are big and scary and due to a fictional what-if scenario I think they should be banned". What a surprise, just toeing the party line...

This sort of response really does show the willful ignorance of the powers that be as well. If the barrier they are setting is "ban anything more powerful than what the Army have" then we might as well kiss our stalking goodbye because even a .243 is running 7-800ft/lb more than an SA80!! As well as shotguns, target rifles etc etc..

Then theres all the usual claptrap about certain ammunition being able to pierce armour, as if they dont know that AP rounds are already illegal...

And the licenced owner of weapons supplying gangs was, I assume, the RFD who was manufacturing all sorts of ammo for gangs but was caught and prosecuted USING LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE! Ergo we dont need yet more laws banning ever increasing swaths of things, we need more coppers on the street to catch scrotes. But that would cost money and be too much like hard work I guess.

I'll be passing his response along to the NRA, BASC, Firearms UK and Mike Lindsay.

 

[kes]

The view that society may be at a crucial point is interesting. I have thought often that a stoic refusal to listen and a blind determination to continue with a course of action which logic suggests is impractical and negative, particularly if that results in further loss of freedoms increases unrest and is damaging. Political decisions starting with Blair and his management of the media have increased disengagement between the public and the means to govern. Politicians used to be independent free spirited and free minded people who represented their people (voters) first and the party second. You only have to read above to note that its me first, the party second, and last you. Discord tends to be a slow burning process but anyone can see it building.

 

[reloader54]

Well I finally got a response from my MP (Damian Hinds) on this one;

Dear Mr XXX

Thank you for your email. I am sorry to disappoint you but I support this Bill. Serious violence is increasing and the Government has brought forward a multi-strand Serious Violence Strategy to tackle this increase. The Bill is a key part of that Strategy.

I am not a sportsman but I understand that high energy rifles are incredibly powerful weapons that could cause very significant public harm if they were to get into the wrong hands. I am told that these weapons are more powerful than the standard British Army rifles, have a range of several miles and can, with certain ammunition, breach the body armour worn to protect soldiers in combat.

There have been occasions when the weapons to be prohibited by the Bill have fallen into the wrong hands. In one case, the licensed owner of weapons, including a .50 calibre rifle, was involved in the firearms and ammunition supply chain of an organised crime gang in the West Midlands.

I firmly believe that the Government has a duty to safeguard the public and to take action in this area but I am grateful to you for taking the time to write to me to put your view.

Kind regards
Damian Hinds

So in summary ".50 cals are big and scary and due to a fictional what-if scenario I think they should be banned". What a surprise, just toeing the party line...

This sort of response really does show the willful ignorance of the powers that be as well. If the barrier they are setting is "ban anything more powerful than what the Army have" then we might as well kiss our stalking goodbye because even a .243 is running 7-800ft/lb more than an SA80!! As well as shotguns, target rifles etc etc..

Then theres all the usual claptrap about certain ammunition being able to pierce armour, as if they dont know that AP rounds are already illegal...

And the licenced owner of weapons supplying gangs was, I assume, the RFD who was manufacturing all sorts of ammo for gangs but was caught and prosecuted USING LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE! Ergo we dont need yet more laws banning ever increasing swaths of things, we need more coppers on the street to catch scrotes. But that would cost money and be too much like hard work I guess.

I'll be passing his response along to the NRA, BASC, Firearms UK and Mike Lindsay.

well that's all just dandy and admirable isn't it,,,,,
The Arabian Connection: The UK Arms Trade to Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia - Country Information - Resources - Campaign Against Arms Trade

honestly these politicians are so full of b/s you can smell it from space.

maybe you should tell him to read this and then get back to you..

 

[NiemiPT]

Future of shooting doesn’t look so good in UK either :|

 

[stubear]

Honestly - vote Libertarian at every election you can.

They are the ONLY party so far as I can tell that supports shooters rights.

 

[reloader54]

Honestly - vote Libertarian at every election you can.

They are the ONLY party so far as I can tell that supports shooters rights.

no offence sir, but if only it were that simple,, Libertarianism - Wikipedia like most political ideologies it can cut both ways.


this is worth a read although I suspect most here will have seen it or at least be victim of it. SHOOTERS' RIGHTS ASSOCIATION - Journal 58