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bottletopbill
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when they have some doubts they go more in-depth but for most of us they wouldn't bother
How does this work for every target situation?Hi,
So section 11(5) of the 1968 Act & section 16 of the 1988 Act (entitled; “Borrowed rifles on private premises”) has been repealed and replaced with section 11A (inserted by the Policing & Crime Act 2017). Section 16 was referred to as the ‘estate rifle exemption’ but it was an unofficial description.
The term ‘servant’ is not relevant to lending rifles (it is only relevant to employees of firearms dealers) and nor is ‘occupier’ as this was a term in section 16 (now repealed). It was a word that caused so much upset that it led to the new 11A to avoid use of what was viewed as an ambiguous word.
11A has three parts to it…..
S11A (1) - A person (“the borrower”) may, without holding a certificate under this Act, borrow a rifle or shot gun from another person on private premises (“the lender”) and have the rifle or shot gun in his or her possession on those premises if—
(a) the four conditions set out in subsections (2) to (5) are met, and
(b) in the case of a rifle, the borrower is aged 17 or over.
(2) The first condition is that the borrowing and possession of the rifle or shot gun are for either or both of the following purposes—
(a) hunting animals or shooting game or vermin;
(b) shooting at artificial targets.
(3) The second condition is that the lender—
(a) is aged 18 or over,
(b) holds a certificate under this Act in respect of the rifle or shot gun, and
(c) is either—
(i) a person who has a right to allow others to enter the premises for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin, or
(ii) a person who is authorised in writing by a person mentioned in sub-paragraph (i) to lend the rifle or shot gun on the premises (whether generally or to persons specified in the authorisation who include the borrower).
So there we have it. A clear new rifle exemption that you can now easily apply to every quarry or target situation whether it be shooting over land or ranges, indoors or out.
Hope this helps!
The legislation specifically states ‘for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin’ referring to the lender. So, this does not cover anyone with lawful authority to shoot targets only at a range, indoor or outdoor.
I thought you were an expert?
No sorry, what you see is what you get. In time you’ll gain trust
They can’t do either of those things unless they think you have or are likely to commit a crime. Do you have any evidence of this happening?
Benelli m2
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With all these stabbings going on it should be renamed operation Blade
Er no subsection 2 says “the borrowing and possession of the rifle or shotgun are for either or both of the following purposes” it does not mention the lender.
The exemption can be used on all ‘private premises’ providing permission has been given by the person who has the right to permit entry to the premises for that activity.
Hope this clarifies
nun_hunter
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I agree and think he really is and it's a shame he gets so much grief from so many (and a repeated few) on here.
As far as the police go you'd need one from each FLD as they all do things differently and then numerous others from all the various different specialist roles to answer the miriad of questions. It'd be a thankless task and they'd end up spending their time either arguing with people or getting grief for not ~arguing~ engaging with people.
I used to be in the police and realised pretty quickly that unfortunately there are lots of people (on here and in real life) that do t want to discuss or learn anything, they just want others to agree with their point of view even if they don't have any lived experience or knowledge about certain issues.
11A has three parts to it…..
S11A (1) - A person (“the borrower”) may, without holding a certificate under this Act, borrow a rifle or shot gun from another person on private premises (“the lender”) and have the rifle or shot gun in his or her possession on those premises if—
(a) the four conditions set out in subsections (2) to (5) are met, and
(b) in the case of a rifle, the borrower is aged 17 or over.
(2) The first condition is that the borrowing and possession of the rifle or shot gun are for either or both of the following purposes—
(a) hunting animals or shooting game or vermin;
(b) shooting at artificial targets.
(3) The second condition is that the lender—
(a) is aged 18 or over,
(b) holds a certificate under this Act in respect of the rifle or shot gun, and
(c) is either—
(i) a person who has a right to allow others to enter the premises for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin, or
(ii) a person who is authorised in writing by a person mentioned in sub-paragraph (i) to lend the rifle or shot gun on the premises (whether generally or to persons specified in the authorisation who include the borrower).
Quite clearly the lender must be someone with the right to allow others to enter the premises for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin, or someone authorised in writing by that person.
All 4 conditions must be met and that is one of the conditions. Simply put, 11A does not cover target shooting on ranges.
How are you an expert when you don’t understand what is written clearly in the legislation, in black and white?
You just playing the arse with me for fun I have been warned about you by other forum members and I know who you actually are.
It covers the lending of firearms on “private premises” regardless of whether it is an ad hoc field range or a developed piece of land with a man made backstop etc.
Keep thinking about the wording and it may finally dawn upon you in the end
Well you haven’t exactly welcomed me. Just been hostile from monent one.
Yes it does, but the lender must have permission to shoot quarry, no ifs or buts. I’m not ‘playing the arse for fun’, but I like others, am quite suspicious of the way you come across and of what you claim to be.You just playing the arse with me for fun I have been warned about you by other forum members and I know who you actually are.
It covers the lending of firearms on “private premises” regardless of whether it is an ad hoc field range or a developed piece of land with a man made backstop etc.
Keep thinking about the wording and it may finally dawn upon you in the end
I’m not really worried if you know who I actually am, I don’t have anything to hide!
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I wasn’t hostile immediately, I just asked the source of the .pdf and then the motive of the police for giving it to you. Something you chose not to answer.
Now you are talking bollocks... Come on. Maybe you should try this new DA checklist before you get your firearms with thoughts like that...
Anyone that has been subjected to the questionnaire so far should get a goldstar if they manage to get a SC or FAC
They didn't ask the question about the now ex wife beating her long suffering ex husband.!!!!
sorry but the term “expert” is a very strong term and requires qualifications to quantify that statement. Especially in a serious field like law. If somebody with similarly poor punctuation and grammar skills approached me on the street claiming to be a doctor I would probably double check before letting them do me a hip replacement.
south-nofolk-stalker
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Of all this tripe is on my next renewal I’ll be glad to hand my tickets back!
What a load of bollocks
What a load of bollocks
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