


Fine in an ideal world but we dont live in an ideal world. I generally only shoot foxes this time of year if they are causing trouble.There are an awful lot of folk on here and elsewhere that shoot foxes for conservational reasons, control of farm predators and as a sport. It always makes me wonder how serious they are regarding humane results at this time of year. For example a fox is shot on the lamp or with night or thermal vision at 200yds, can you tell it's sex at that distance. If it's a milky vixen do you know where the earth is and can you deal with cubs when there are no signs around the earth that they are there. Fortunately I have always known where most useable earths were on land I've managed. I always tried them with terriers through the winter with varying results. It's relatively easy in the Spring just to have a look round to see if any are being "scratched" out for use. On the hill it's easy to know which are in use and a good terrier is a must around the end of April to get both adults and cubs. The vixen will be with them and it's a sit for the dog. Low ground is different as she might lay away from them as they suckle less. At this time of year I have restricted my shooting them to when I have known the whereabouts of any earth with cubs. Usually however if I know of such a place I will have dealt with the occupants anyway.
Highlights the point perfectlyThe last Vixen I shot intentionally, was responsible for big losses of layers in a small holding, & Vixen's earth is in a disused silica sand quarry, the quarry is secured and monitored, so no options on sitting out on the earth.
Just trying to assess people's thoughts Mike.Fine in an ideal world but we dont live in an ideal world. I generally only shoot foxes this time of year if they are causing trouble.
I try and catch up with as many foxes from July-March but if I get a call because a farmer is losing livestock then the foxes get shot regardless. Waiting to assess if its a dog or vixen, milky or not is impractical..if its a fox and offers a shot I ll take it. Also a lot of ground I shoot may not hold the den and often there are badger earths in the area as well so cant risk putting terriers down a hole to check.
After a lot of years doing the rounds in the fields, And four years on the legal cull, I can attest to badgers and fox at times, sharing accommodation.Just trying to assess people's thoughts Mike.
Obviously at my age I know well it's not an ideal world but most livestock losses are fowl free ranging or lambs in the first few days of life usually late March early April, by when any serious fox control should have been done. Again most earths will be local to any depradations unless it's just a very small piece of ground. We all should stay clear of Brock holes but then one should be well able to tell whether it's fox or badger and a vixen definitely will not cub where Brock can get an easy meal. I recently had a vixen move cubs onto me, easy to find and deal with. Got her coming in that evening and the dog an hour later. Hadn't seen any fox sign or padding since the rainy weather so never bothered as they weren't giving me any grief, but then she arrived.
Totally agree but not with cubs. In 70+ years from badger digging with local worthies to terrier work and keepering on hill snd low ground I have never seen fox cubs in a occupied badger sett.After a lot of years doing the rounds in the fields, And four years on the legal cull, I can attest to badgers and fox at times, sharing accommodation.