Paperless Firearms Licensing Process - Impact on older applicants.

[cjm1066]

Perhaps I am older but I can use a PC, if I can't I probably can't book a Doctors appointment.

89yo in village does most things on his laptop, same with 87yo friend. Age is but a number

 

[wytonpjs]

Age is but a number

 

[Puds]

I notice all you computer wizards are not offering to help the old guys out

Being able to fill in a form online is hardly ‘computer wizardry’, it’s basic day-to-day stuff.

 

[Klenchblaize]

BBC News Digital gun licence system in NI 'too difficult' for elderly

K

 

[Foxyboy43]

BBC News Digital gun licence system in NI 'too difficult' for elderly

K

Thanks - see my post #40 but good to have it up again.

 

[shakey jake]

BBC News Digital gun licence system in NI 'too difficult' for elderly

K

Should we stop all progress because of a few?
Times change, move with it or move over

 

[Whitefront]

Should we stop all progress because of a few?
Times change, move with it or move over

Could say the same about lead...

 

[Klenchblaize]

Should we stop all progress because of a few?
Times change, move with it or move over

Times are indeed changing but as possibly one of those "few", given a choice (CHOICE), I would rather submit to an in-person hands-on consultation with a GP than listen to the deliberations of an AI enhanced on-line diagnosis that is deemed to represent "progress".

K

 

[Foxyboy43]

Should we stop all progress because of a few?
Times change, move with it or move over

Or just die - gosh that make it soooo much easier….

 

[timbrayford]

Could say the same about lead...

That's an interesting comparison, obviously the paper based system needs replacing with something better, same goes for lead, in both cases a superior alternative has yet to manifest itself, but that's no reason not to keep developing one.

 

[Mattyhunt]

How about the police services used a firearms system that actually worked as intended and was user friendly. The phrase learn to walk before you run

 

[cjm1066]

Currently on renewal I have to list the firearms I own and which the Police know about. That wastes both parties time, the renewal paper or electronic could so easily be repopulated with a lot of the data to improve efficiency.

 

[Mattyhunt]

Question with a digital license how do you do a private sale?

 

[timbrayford]

Question with a digital license how do you do a private sale?

That's easy like doing an electronic money transfer. i.e. both you and the other party log in separately to a central FLD clearing house with your own unique PIN & password. You both fill in the relevant details at the hub which then either authorises or voids a transaction. Such a system would have prevented the Luton killings and alerted the police to an attempt to unlawfully acquire a firearm.

 

[sammuz75]

Well, I’m 25 and certainly computer literate and managed to completely cock up my last variation and ended up emailing them and telling them what I wanted! Not sure that it was my fault though, the entries I’d made didn’t come out properly on the final application.

 

[charlie222]

When everyone had cheque books the crooks could only rip off one person at a time. Now they can (and do) pinch data on a massive scale. A digital firearms system will be no different, open to abuse on a bigger scale, and we'll suffer for it. If you think data can be protected, ask Landrover.

 

[VSS]

Currently on renewal I have to list the firearms I own and which the Police know about. That wastes both parties time, the renewal paper or electronic could so easily be repopulated with a lot of the data to improve efficiency.

No, it's not a waste of time, if it picks up on anomalies. For example, I at one time had a shotgun in my possession that was, inadvertently, not listed on my certificate and which the police were therefore unaware of. This was picked up on at the time of renewal, and added to my SGC.
A prepopulated form would not have included it, and it could well have slipped under the radar for another 5 years.

I agree that a lot of the form could be prepopulated, but each entry would still need to be checked for correctness, both by the applicant and by the police.

 

[Mattyhunt]

I had the opposite sold a SG and the police thought I still had it. Strangely they had a list of excuses but I must not let it happen again.

 

[cjm1066]

The FEO checks the serial number on the home visit, isn't that sufficient?

 

[Mike1979]

No, it's not a waste of time, if it picks up on anomalies. For example, I at one time had a shotgun in my possession that was, inadvertently, not listed on my certificate and which the police were therefore unaware of. This was picked up on at the time of renewal, and added to my SGC.
A prepopulated form would not have included it, and it could well have slipped under the radar for another 5 years.

I agree that a lot of the form could be prepopulated, but each entry would still need to be checked for correctness, both by the applicant and by the police.

My 6.5 Creed is listed as an "Original" even though the action is a Zermatt "origin" ... I pointed this out to the firearms team who said "we dont have Origin in the database so Original is the closest"...I have the e mail saved for when it comes up

Ive had a few e mails save the day when I've had the "we werent notified of disposal"....

I suppose the newer system of online notifications will help but still a case of covering your arse in my opinion.