Currently, I have one permission on the Monmouthshire/ Herefordshire border. It's a cracking permission and I'm working it with a .22RF but I've recently done my DSC1 and waiting to have a variation up to .243. However, the landowner, God bless, is not long for this world and the daughter has made it quite clear that when the time comes, I'll be given the elbow. I don't want to be left without a permission so here is the big ask... is there anyone out there in the Monmouth/Abergavenny area who is hanging up their guns or retiring from the sport who would consider passing on their permission? Alternatively, would anyone be willing to share? say, they wanted to take a break and they need someone to 'maintain' their permission. It's a cheek but I've not had any luck getting another shoot. Many thanks
Wanted: Permission under threat
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Not many ways around this probably to keep your permission. Suggestions:
1. Be nice to the daughter and hope that the vermin start to cause problems and if they do, suggest you are open to being asked to solve the problem. Is the farming let? Get the farmer on side and ask him to explain the need for vermin control for farming reasons.
2. Catch the daughter in a compromising position.
3. Engage the daughter in a compromising position and get her up the duff and then down the aisle.
But, more seriously perhaps, I think you'll do well to get someone to hand over their permission, most people will have someone in mind if they are hanging up their boots. Good luck.
1. Be nice to the daughter and hope that the vermin start to cause problems and if they do, suggest you are open to being asked to solve the problem. Is the farming let? Get the farmer on side and ask him to explain the need for vermin control for farming reasons.
2. Catch the daughter in a compromising position.
3. Engage the daughter in a compromising position and get her up the duff and then down the aisle.
But, more seriously perhaps, I think you'll do well to get someone to hand over their permission, most people will have someone in mind if they are hanging up their boots. Good luck.
deerstalker.308
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Best second post ever. Best of luck, I feel you may struggle but you never know…..
Lloyd90
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Other option is join a local club to keep in practice and if you are already sorted for your variation on the .243 before you lose the .permission maintain the ticket with paid stalks for your good reason while looking for another permission. This would take the pressure off and allow you to take your time securing a new permission with the added bonus you have a ticket ready to go.
long_range_rob
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Try engaging the daughter in conversation and see what her concerns are. If you can get over your reasoning for shooting you may persuade her. Two of my permissions are owned by vegetarian ladies but they both appreciate that I’m not there to wipe out the deer but I’m there to manage them and maintain the balance.
MagicLantern
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Would it be an idea to discuss with the daughter what pests she would like controlled and then apply a mutually agreed restriction on what you can shoot. On one of my permissions, I control pests (rabbits) but deer are not on the agreed list neither are corvids. I downloaded a permission quarry form from the BASC website (if I remember right) and went through that with the landowner, ticking off what pests he wanted controlled.
I would suspect the daughter does not want to be over-run with rats which you could offer to continue to control which would be a starting point for the discussion.
I would suspect the daughter does not want to be over-run with rats which you could offer to continue to control which would be a starting point for the discussion.
Old Pultney
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I think in your position I’d ‘ knock on a few doors ‘ / chat with neighbours- might be more receptive if you explain you’re already culling vermin for so and so and is it something they’d like you to do for them.
Best wishes
O.P
Best wishes
O.P
I have a very similar situation: on one of my permissions the land owner's crops are jeopardised by rabbits. But they love seeing deer and foxes. The later two are off limits. In fact, I have been instructed to leave some shot rabbits for the fox cubs.
Every permission has owners with different priorities. Agreeing and adhering to those is key to land owner satisfaction.
If you read the op, you'll see that the property isn't being sold, it's being passed from parent to daughter.
(At least, that's how it reads to me.)
Yep, on the owner’s death. I don’t understand why that would mean the current owner can’t sell the sporting rights to Celt now, and obviously any such sale would continue to be effective on the owner’s death. Am I missing something?
Obviously the current owner might choose not to because of relationship with daughter, or might want a price that’s too high. It’s not a plan that will definitely work but I don’t think the manner of the transfer to daughter matters.
Scandially
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I am in the opposite boat. A Laird has contracted Altzheimers and paid his keeper off last year due to th C19. He put 2,000 birds down and the estate is moving with Fife Roe. No cash requured. Happy days.
carbon
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Find out what vermin she doesn't like and slowly, uh, have said vermin fall out of someone's truck and onto said permission? Ok, just kidding!
Not sure what a permission arrangement is, exactly (are they legal-type? I'm in the US), but my divorced father's wife barred me from shooting anything on their land for years until this year when it was overrun with ground squirrels and pigeons. She hates those and I finally got lucky.
Not sure what a permission arrangement is, exactly (are they legal-type? I'm in the US), but my divorced father's wife barred me from shooting anything on their land for years until this year when it was overrun with ground squirrels and pigeons. She hates those and I finally got lucky.
Infing
I don’t believe sporting rights include deer stalking and vermin control
Thank you for the feedback, all. I won't go too much into the politics of the situation except to say all my tact, diplomacy, Welsh charm and even my puppy-eyes which have never failed me with the ladies have come to naught. The neighbouring land isn't really suitable but I might give a rifle club a call if it means I can stay on ticket until a new permission comes up. In the meantime, it's back to Google earth, OS maps and driving those old country lanes looking for the dream permission. Thanks again, Stay safe.
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