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Will they not just drive on the A61 straight to the site?
It doesn’t look very rural on Google maps.
Not sure why anyone would oppose this…
It looks like an excellent scheme.

Respectfully have you read it ?
Have you seen the roads - jammed every morning and night ?
Why would the people in a village want the traffic bound for the peak
Who would want circa 2000 cars parked next to their homes ?
Why should we the public pay for a feasibility study ?
Why should public money £2.85 million be used to make a new roundabout to it ?
35 years and many many many plans - maybe it really is not wanted ?
 
Will they not just drive on the A61 straight to the site?
It doesn’t look very rural on Google maps.
Not sure why anyone would oppose this…
It looks like an excellent scheme.

And we are up to over 200 locals opposing it - so maybe just maybe its not
 
Will they not just drive on the A61 straight to the site?
It doesn’t look very rural on Google maps.
Not sure why anyone would oppose this…
It looks like an excellent scheme.
Unfortunately traffic in and around chesterfield is at an almost gridlock situation, 10,000 or so houses are planned in the next few years, very little green land is still left in the borough, will anybody really use this, I doubt it, but developed land brings in cash, and that is all councillor's care about unfortunately
 
And we are up to over 200 locals opposing it - so maybe just maybe its not
Locals?
The people signing the petition can be from anywhere.

I had a look at the link and it sounds pretty good project.
Imagine all the new jobs for local youngsters. It’s going to be great for them! All the rappers/tiktok ers/influencers/social media personalities will now be able to work as cleaners in the 2000 room eco hotel for £9/hr. The job centre will be very pleased.
 
Locals?
The people signing the petition can be from anywhere.

I had a look at the link and it sounds pretty good project.
Imagine all the new jobs for local youngsters. It’s going to be great for them! All the rappers/tiktok ers/influencers/social media personalities will now be able to work as cleaners in the 2000 room eco hotel for £9/hr. The job centre will be very pleased.

Indeed they can - but if you have ever organised a petition you would realise it tells you peoples locality

And being part of a community i know perhaps at least 170/180 of these people by name

We also have a paper copy going round many of the older people - who have been there for 40 years plus - and have little knowledge of this venture .... again

The hotel is "scaled back" and is 165 rooms - proposed

You see so much of it is spin and hype

I think there are far better things out there to spend nearly / over 3 million quid on
 
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Revised Phase 1 planning applications have now been submitted to Chesterfield Borough Council for the development, which will create around 1,000 jobs across these sectors with a commitment to education and green skills delivered via an onsite skills academy.
You can trust this guy:
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Josh Marsh

Destination Chesterfield Coordinator (Investment and Marketing)
 
Locals?
The people signing the petition can be from anywhere.

I had a look at the link and it sounds pretty good project.
Imagine all the new jobs for local youngsters. It’s going to be great for them! All the rappers/tiktok ers/influencers/social media personalities will now be able to work as cleaners in the 2000 room eco hotel for £9/hr. The job centre will be very pleased.


Maybe you could invest too - because some pretty big hitters have looked at the myriad of proposals time and time again - over the last 3 decades actually - and time and time again it has come to nothing - Hence we now have phasing - and phase 1 is essentially a massive car park next to peoples homes creating pollution , noise and disruption - To just ship them off to the Peak for the day ? Madness
 
Revised Phase 1 planning applications have now been submitted to Chesterfield Borough Council for the development, which will create around 1,000 jobs across these sectors with a commitment to education and green skills delivered via an onsite skills academy.
You can trust this guy:
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Josh Marsh

Destination Chesterfield Coordinator (Investment and Marketing)

Nice One

I dont mind your comments

At least its keeping it to the top of the board
 
Don’t worry. Josh marsh is going to teach the skills in his eco village and take everyone to work on his gender neutral carbon e-bikes.
What a scheme
 
Don’t worry. Josh marsh is going to teach the skills in his eco village and take everyone to work on his gender neutral carbon e-bikes.
What a scheme

And then into the Peak in their Hydrogen buses

The town centre - as so many are - is struggling - but still our council thinks ideas like this are good - To move people and trade from the centres - to this gateway to then essentially take all the money out into the Peak district

Its just madness and because the council has backed it for 35 years they really now cannot see the wood for the tress

I own a lump of land next to it and have had so little consultation on this project it beggars belief really

Indeed a year or two ago i was asked to participate in a scheme to bolster Great Crested Newts - the boundary of this would now perhaps only be 7/800 m - and probably far less

Its the waste of money i really cant stand - as well as the destruction of the open spaces and the effects on the local community - many of whom are pensioners - So all im trying to do is "my bit"
 
Objecting to planning applications is an emotive thing but the important bit to remember is sentiment means nothing in planning law!

To give your objection weight you really need to me able to prove that the proposed development is CONTRARY TO ADOPTED POLICY - that is you have to look at the adopted local plan, plus national & regional policies, & demonstrate how it fails to comply. For example, traffic, there is no way that a development that size will survive on what is called 'pass by' trips so it will draw visitors in from a much larger area & any reliance on use of car, instead of public transport or other sustainable travel such as walking & cycling, will doubtless be contrary to their policies of sustainability, climate change etc.

The council may have declared a climate change emergency, in which case there will be opportunity for you to base objections around that too.

On a practical level, does the proposed development meet the standards for provision of EV parking/charging points - either the planning authority or highway authority will have published standards & these are starting to get quite high with requirements for % 'active' spaces to be use during immediately plus % 'passive' spaces that have to be ready for use or brought into use by a given date. Supplying power to these can be a big, and costly, problem.

Look at the previous applications & what policies were quoted by the council in their refusals for these & cross check if these policies are still current or if there are updated versions & see if the reasons quoted before still apply - if they do then point this out & ask how the council can now ignore them.

Is the area designated for retail development? Large retail developments like this can & do draw shoppers away from town centres, what policies have the council got to protect existing town centres? Will thIs development protect them?

We're any of the previous reasons for refusal citing landscape or environmental impacts? - if so push these & contact the relevant statutory bodies who objected last time & lobby them to make sure they object this time too.

If it is material to the proposed development, or allocation of the land for development by the council, then the feasibility study must be made public, they cannot rely on a document that any objector is not allowed to see if the information it contains is material to the application.

Finally lobby your local councillors, especially if any are on the planning committee, & make sure they realise that if they, or their party colleagues, support this application they will not be getting votes at the next elections. Ditto county councillors & MP.

Good luck & be prepared to spend a lot of time on this.
 
Just seen mention of hydrogen buses - do some research on who actually makes them, what they cost & whether they can actually be on the road when the development opens. Also what infrastructure is needed to support them, whether this will be on site or will operators be required to provide it at their current bases - can this be achieved? - speak to the operators & ask them.

This all sounds like a white elephant project, I've seen a few over the years, & they are a waste of time & money.

Final point, when you've got a big long list of how this development fails to meet policy etc get the press involved!
 
Objecting to planning applications is an emotive thing but the important bit to remember is sentiment means nothing in planning law!

To give your objection weight you really need to me able to prove that the proposed development is CONTRARY TO ADOPTED POLICY - that is you have to look at the adopted local plan, plus national & regional policies, & demonstrate how it fails to comply. For example, traffic, there is no way that a development that size will survive on what is called 'pass by' trips so it will draw visitors in from a much larger area & any reliance on use of car, instead of public transport or other sustainable travel such as walking & cycling, will doubtless be contrary to their policies of sustainability, climate change etc.

The council may have declared a climate change emergency, in which case there will be opportunity for you to base objections around that too.

On a practical level, does the proposed development meet the standards for provision of EV parking/charging points - either the planning authority or highway authority will have published standards & these are starting to get quite high with requirements for % 'active' spaces to be use during immediately plus % 'passive' spaces that have to be ready for use or brought into use by a given date. Supplying power to these can be a big, and costly, problem.

Look at the previous applications & what policies were quoted by the council in their refusals for these & cross check if these policies are still current or if there are updated versions & see if the reasons quoted before still apply - if they do then point this out & ask how the council can now ignore them.

Is the area designated for retail development? Large retail developments like this can & do draw shoppers away from town centres, what policies have the council got to protect existing town centres? Will thIs development protect them?

We're any of the previous reasons for refusal citing landscape or environmental impacts? - if so push these & contact the relevant statutory bodies who objected last time & lobby them to make sure they object this time too.

If it is material to the proposed development, or allocation of the land for development by the council, then the feasibility study must be made public, they cannot rely on a document that any objector is not allowed to see if the information it contains is material to the application.

Finally lobby your local councillors, especially if any are on the planning committee, & make sure they realise that if they, or their party colleagues, support this application they will not be getting votes at the next elections. Ditto county councillors & MP.

Good luck & be prepared to spend a lot of time on this.

Thanks Donkey basher'
I have and i will
It has been going on as i say for 35 years in various forms

Much of it seems to contradict the local plan and when it passed last time for Adrenaline World i quoted pages and pages and pages of it to committee
They were hardly concerned

As the years have rolled by and more and more public money keeps getting thrown at it i am now starting to highlight what a shameful waste of resources this is

It is also being constructed on old open cast - the top of a hill - next to a river - flooding ? I would think so
Part of the land also contains a "dump" from the 70s/80s i believe - who knows what wonders lie in there

Many of the council projects constructed have ended in disaster - the retail park took all the large businesses and then customers from the town centre - that was built next to a river too - and wow that floods too ! - who would have guessed !

Thanks for looking and your input
regards
 
Just seen mention of hydrogen buses - do some research on who actually makes them, what they cost & whether they can actually be on the road when the development opens. Also what infrastructure is needed to support them, whether this will be on site or will operators be required to provide it at their current bases - can this be achieved? - speak to the operators & ask them.

This all sounds like a white elephant project, I've seen a few over the years, & they are a waste of time & money.

Final point, when you've got a big long list of how this development fails to meet policy etc get the press involved!

I have engaged with the local press - but i think this project has been buying headlines

I copy then editor in to my many many many emails back and forth with the council - my 2 MPs - and a few members of the locailty

I want this petition to get some steam up so i can go and speak in front of the whole council
 
Flooding sounds like it could be an issue - very topical this time of year too! Check the Magic website for flooding maps.

There will also be policies which restrict surface water run off to no more than a ‘green field’, ie water from roofs & parking areas as well as any other new non-permeable areas had to be attenuated & only released at the same rate as greenfield run off - another area to have a dig in.
 
Flooding sounds like it could be an issue - very topical this time of year too! Check the Magic website for flooding maps.

There will also be policies which restrict surface water run off to no more than a ‘green field’, ie water from roofs & parking areas as well as any other new non-permeable areas had to be attenuated & only released at the same rate as greenfield run off - another area to have a dig in.

So having set us a petition - checked with democratic services that change.org is acceptable as having used the councils own last time out - once bitten and all that - and having got it confirmed in writing that a certain numbers of signatures get a full on debate of the council -
I receive - Sorry we gave you the wrong information and no number of signatures will trigger said debate
What an absolute shower !

I will keep pushing the petition though because it has weighting in the planning decision and it leads to people writing their objections too
 
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