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ecoman

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Hello all,
I don't get much on-site these days. I have some health problems and life is very much taken up with patience involved in our life of self-sufficiency and corresponding with a few friends - some in a worse situation than me.
So no complaints - just excuses.

I'm extremely concerned about the apathy being shown by a firearm-ownership public where only about a third has offered a simple bit of help in signing the petition - which will not be enough.
Honest investigation has demonstrated that lead is NOT a culprit or threat to wildlife, but if we do not all pull the digit out, we will be faced with much more expensive ammo and the strong possibility of problems because the whole situation of projectile to body-weight and toughness of body will have to be begun all over again - just when we have got the thing right with more traditional tupes of bullet. There's also a possibility that rifle barrels might not last as long.

My second concern is that there are HUGE problems with several bodies placing deer on the extermination list, and let us not fool around with kid gloves - the truth of the facts stands longest.
The first of these exterminators to be dealt-with are the John Muir Trust and there is already a petition in place. If you open the petitions site you will get the facts, but the JMT set about denuding the landscape - and the surrounding countryside of deer wherever they buy up land. Their strategy is basically that of the old poaching farmer's trick - sow a field adjacent to a hill with turnip and with a stock-height fence - then shoot all the wintering deer as marauders - including out-of-season stags.

Ladies and gentlemen - whatever your preferences within your stalking circles - PLEASE sign these two petitions and get your friends interested if you can. The hills are getting very lonely.

Ken.
 
Ken, I couldn't agree more!
We as a body of shooters (Regardless of the different types of shooting we do) should ALL be signing these petitions in order to at least TRY to get something done to save our sport as we know it. We have a good strong membership on this forum (And the many other Internet Shooting related forums) of people who say that they care about our sport and the direction that the Government and other charitable organisations and sporting bodies are trying to send our sport in, but how many of the members of this and the many other shooting related forums have taken the time to read any of these petitions and sign them?
If any member reading this thread have not taken the time to sign these petitions then I too would urge them to PLEASE DO SO as the outcome could well effect every single one of us!
 
Has BASC agreed to send it to members yet?
All our orgs should be recommending this as a condition of membership !
 
I think that the shooting orgs are probably waiting to see the government's response to the LAG debacle. The petition would likely gather more support if a motion were tabled to ban lead ammunition, but as far as I know it hasn't been, so for now it is a petition against a law which hasn't yet been proposed.

As to th OP, the effect on wildlife is only one aspect of the lead ammunition debate. Another is the effect on human health. Whether it has been proven in either case you that lead ammunition has no effect is open to debate, but my understanding is that there is no conclusive evidence to prove that it does have a detrimental effect. Not the same thing.

another concerning issue is the apparent agreement on all sides of the debate that current laws regarding lead shot and wetlands/waterfowl are not being strictly adhered to by shooters. This is a serious problem and could easily swing the debate against lead ammunition. The shooting orgs need to be careful about if/when they jump in because a false start could have unintended and negative consequences.

nevertheless, I agree that it would be a good thing for shooters to be more proactive and engaged on these issues. Supporting our shooting organisations so that they can engage effectively with a media and politically savvy opposition is far, far, far more important than saving a few quid by shopping around for the cheapest insurance...
 
For a motion to be tabled in the house the petition needs 100,000 signatures. Unfortunately it has nowhere near a quarter of that amount yet. I signed this petition when it first came out and am horrified by the apathy of the shooting community. I sent it out to all my friends and Ecoman has kindly put this sticky up about it, it would have helped if he had put the link up too, bless him. But at least he thought of putting it up on here which is more than i had ;-)

Simon

I think that the shooting orgs are probably waiting to see the government's response to the LAG debacle. The petition would likely gather more support if a motion were tabled to ban lead ammunition, but as far as I know it hasn't been, so for now it is a petition against a law which hasn't yet been proposed.

As to th OP, the effect on wildlife is only one aspect of the lead ammunition debate. Another is the effect on human health. Whether it has been proven in either case you that lead ammunition has no effect is open to debate, but my understanding is that there is no conclusive evidence to prove that it does have a detrimental effect. Not the same thing.

another concerning issue is the apparent agreement on all sides of the debate that current laws regarding lead shot and wetlands/waterfowl are not being strictly adhered to by shooters. This is a serious problem and could easily swing the debate against lead ammunition. The shooting orgs need to be careful about if/when they jump in because a false start could have unintended and negative consequences.

nevertheless, I agree that it would be a good thing for shooters to be more proactive and engaged on these issues. Supporting our shooting organisations so that they can engage effectively with a media and politically savvy opposition is far, far, far more important than saving a few quid by shopping around for the cheapest insurance...
 
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