Plan B?

[big ears]

Heil Big Ears ffs

Read the post. It’s said asked not dictated too. Slight difference.

 

[mchughcb]

Vaccines are a way of minimising risk of serious illness from Covid. Experience from Israel, who started their vaccine program before us, shows there is a significant reduction in vaccine effectiveness after six months. They brought in a booster program with good uptake and managed to control disease better. They also brought in mask wearing, as have many other countries.
My feeling is we should all be wearing masks where we can, maintaining social distance if possible and take up the offer of vaccines as soon as possible.
This disease is with us to stay and we have to learn to live with it. We cannot expect to go back to how we behaved before Covid-19 for many years yet (if ever). It is the behaviour of the British public which has caused the recent rise in cases and the frustration in the Health ministers voice yesterday was testament to this.
Get your jab, wear a mask in public, wash your hands and if you do mix in crowds check lateral flows twice a week. If they are positive make sure your PCR test isn’t sent to Wolverhampton !

Our government has eliminated the virus. At least 4 times according to our Chief Health Officer, and that includes the delta strain twice. Infact they did such a good job, many people under the age of 60 are only taking the vaccine because it has been mandated otherwise they will lose their authorized workers status.

Would you like some advice on how to eliminate the virus and solve climate change at the same time?

 

[Klenchblaize]

Our government has eliminated the virus. At least 4 times according to our Chief Health Officer, and that includes the delta strain twice. Infact they did such a good job, many people under the age of 60 are only taking the vaccine because it has been mandated otherwise they will lose their authorized workers status.

Would you like some advice on how to eliminate the virus and solve climate change at the same time?

How’s your tourist industry doing?

K

 

[Leec6.5]

Once again the “i know better” and “I’ll do what i like” crew are out in force.

Remember, its not just your lives your taking into your hands but also those you may spread it too.

 

[mchughcb]

How’s your tourist industry doing?

K

Pretty quiet. Infact international tourism is dead. But we are saving the planet and still have eliminated the virus in QLD, SA, TAS, WA and NT!

 

[mchughcb]

Ever thought that it might be they don’t have any vaccine and cannot hold clinics?

There are supply issues with flu and Covid vaccines as with many other things (petrol,food…) so it might not be the exhausted NHS staff that deserves your sarcasm and anger rather maybe those who voted Brexit!

Brexit is not the supply issue, there is a world wide supply issue because of the over reaction of Governments based on "expert medical advice". Probably not possible for you to think outside the box, if a vaccine had not been developed and countries didn't completely lockdown, then the global logistics would not have been screwed. The reality is that generally older, non working people are the most affected. If the younger people were not furloughed, yes some would have taken sick, many would have recovered, some would have died but I doubt very much there would have been the economic devastation of the lockdowns. On the other hand it has exposed how dependent places in Europe are on the global supply chains, especially from China. On the one had I encourage free trade to improve peoples lives, but on the other hand if that trade is broken then economies have shown to be very exposed.

Having just gone through 263 days of stay at home orders with 5 million other people, I'm pretty sure there will be real trouble if we go into lockdown this time to save the health system as opposed to eliminating the virus.

 

[TomDeer]

When it comes to health issues which affect the whole population yes.

Including the administration of Covid Vaccines to those under the age of 18?

 

[big ears]

Including the administration of Covid Vaccines to those under the age of 18?

Yes.

 

[TomDeer]

Yes.

Against the advice of your own medical advisory panel?

 

[big ears]

Against the advice of your own medical advisory panel?

Think you will find 12-17 year olds are being offered vaccines. All be it one dose which could be worse than useless.

There is debate as to how effective it is and there is no data which is yet convincing n either direction. What is clear is that the rates did spike when schools returned from summer holidays and many children are being excluded from education due to isolation protocols. For children in important years thus will have a significant detrimental effect on their education.

You asked me if I personally thought that children under 18 should be vaccinated and I answered you honestly. It seems silly to me that we are going to vaccinate at risk children but not the whole population. As the vaccine is only ever 80% effective we should be reducing the whole infected population not just a small percentage of it.

 

[Rasputin]

Think you will find 12-17 year olds are being offered vaccines. All be it one dose which could be worse than useless.

There is debate as to how effective it is and there is no data which is yet convincing n either direction. What is clear is that the rates did spike when schools returned from summer holidays and many children are being excluded from education due to isolation protocols. For children in important years thus will have a significant detrimental effect on their education.

You asked me if I personally thought that children under 18 should be vaccinated and I answered you honestly. It seems silly to me that we are going to vaccinate at risk children but not the whole population. As the vaccine is only ever 80% effective we should be reducing the whole infected population not just a small percentage of it.

Instead of wasting money vaccinating all and sundry who don’t need or want it why don’t we save some of that money to either do something useful to the nhs or better still support younger people who have been royally stiffed over this debacle.

 

[countrryboy]

So going back to plan B.

I realise very hard to compare the success or failure s of different countries due to the massive amounts of variables, testing, vaccine uptake, even lifestyles.

But I would imagine comparing Scotland to England should be similar enough to see if mask wearing makes any real difference in infection rates?

I have to admit I gave up reading papers or watching the news a while back so out off touch a bit, but generally believed infection rates in Scotland are amount the highest in Europe despite already practising this 'Plan B'.
I doubt it will be the miracle there hoping for.

All this opening airports to foreign travel is just nuts, it's only a matter of time till a mutated version comes in that is more resistant to the vaccines then all thejans and boosters are a complete waste off time andur back to square 1.

Already happens with the flu Jan's and Kennel cough in dogs, they pick the strains they expect to be the most common that year, get a different strain and does little good.

 

[mchughcb]

Instead of wasting money vaccinating all and sundry who don’t need or want it why don’t we save some of that money to either do something useful to the nhs or better still support younger people who have been royally stiffed over this debacle.

Very interesting point of view. The victorian government is now aiming for 90% vaccination over the age of 16. To achieve this there will be considerable amount under the age of 12. Now 18 months later the ICU beds have gone from 450 to 475 of which currently 149 are with Covid. At at some point those vaccines are costing beds to those that need them.

 

[foxdropper]

It’s here to stay folk .Either find a cave ,stock up with sad bastard meals for one or just keep calm and get on with life .
We as humans have asked for this ever since antibiotics were invented and abused .

 

[zambezi]

As the vaccine is only ever 80% effective we should be reducing the whole infected population not just a small percentage of it

Historically, vaccines did that.

The PM tells us now that these vaccines do not prevent infection, only serious illness. [Reiterating Oxford University and US CDC data re delta variant]

From the start we have known that youth do not succumb to covid.

Since vaccinating them cannot stop them being carriers, where is the logic of vaccinating the youth? [particularly given attendant risks]