Please sign SAS man jailed

[al4x1]

Reading the court transcript it sounds like he got handled very fairly and rather lucky that was all he got.

 

[NorthDorset]

Good find Archer!

Doesnt make happy reading does it?

Not sure I would have wanted to be in Mr Nightingales shoes.

The Ammo (and the flares dropped from prosecution) does also cast a tricky light for the defence. However he has pleaded guilty, he isnt denying it.

Can but hope an appeal finds something further to mitigate. It does read that he got away from a mandatory 5 years.

Amazing the way Fleet Street sensationalise things isnt it?

 

[al4x1]

Reading from it the reason they feel hard done by is his mate had a hand grenade as well and only got 2 years, the papers should be worried more about how they collected the amount of ammo, explosives and guns and less about their "hero" status

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

A man of contradictions and fallacious belief you clearly are.

Sgt Nightingale broke the law, a disturbing sort of law, agreed, but the law no less. Yet you feel this convicted criminal should not be punished for breaking the law...??? Why? ... Because he is a man-at-arms who has excelled in his profession of death... all the more reason to keep the guns from him in civvy street is what the majority really think.

Personally what I find most disturbing is that his story and actions do not add up. He was keeping a trophy of war to have it de-activated and placed on the mess wall... sounds fair enough... why then did he need ammo for it if that was true? What sort of a noble man was he who would conceal or attempt to conceal his diminished mental capacity from his beloved fellow soldiers? ... Was he really such a good guy, I think... No! he showed himself willing to cheat, regardless of possible consequence and his disjointed story will not do.

And... Yes, many on here have shown solidarity with the plea for even more clemency but that amounts to a few "dozen" folk. The site has a few "thousand" members, most of whom have said nothing. Maybe I am one of the few willng to point these things out, but that does not mean my view is in the minority.

We do agree on one thing... the sentence seems disgraceful. At no point when he could have done something to redeem himself did Sgt Nightingale do anything to redeem himself and his story is flimsy at best. So, I don't understand why he "got off" so lightly.

Another shite quote....

Show me where any of my posts say he shouldnt be punished!!!

No need for big word name calling...

If your going to quote me atleast read my posts properly without your bigoted opinion causing assumption..

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Good find Archer!

Doesnt make happy reading does it?

Not sure I would have wanted to be in Mr Nightingales shoes.

The Ammo (and the flares dropped from prosecution) does also cast a tricky light for the defence. However he has pleaded guilty, he isnt denying it.

Can but hope an appeal finds something further to mitigate. It does read that he got away from a mandatory 5 years.

Amazing the way Fleet Street sensationalise things isnt it?

Not as amazing as some of the folk on here

 

[jon2]

Thought it would be something like that ie much more to it than a newspaper article's predictable sensationalism/misreporting.

He sounds very lucky to have got just the 18 months.

 

[andyf]

So, having read the actual facts of the court martial it looks like he got 18 months having plead guilty to a charge that starts with a mandatory 5 year sentence. Looks like they actually dealt with him pretty leniently, despite not believing much of the key elements of his mitigation.

Also quite ironic having a re-read of the 2nd thread on the 'Similar Threads' list below...

 

[Tamus]

Another shite quote....

Show me where any of my posts say he shouldnt be punished!!!

No need for big word name calling...

If your going to quote me atleast read my posts properly without your bigoted opinion causing assumption..

For a strict liabilty offence, which the man plead guilty to and was found guilty of.... which also carries a "mandatory" minimum tariff of five years custodial sentence...

Just what is the appropriate punishment? in your opinion.

Btw, sorry if my quoting isn't up to your standards. I just use the reply with quote facility and do not edit your words in any way. So, if I'm quoting you wrongly I can only appologise but suggest you take it up with the site admin as there must be some sort of software malfunction.

 

[craigievarkiller]

well said !

There is no denying that those serving their country are due an inordinate amount of respect, as should police, fire service, ambulance et al. Who are we however to dictate an heirarchy of those who should be above the law? Who should we include with war heroes who can get away with holding a banned handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition: clergy, carers, charity workers?

And let us not forget the incident that led to the police finding the handgun and ammunition in the first place:

should we show him the same respect and hold him in such high esteem?

 

[User00003]

whilst I feel sorry for the chap and understand why people are frustrated by the outcome of this case, I personally would not like to put my name on a piece of paper that could be construed as supporting the breach of firearms legislation..I'm not saying that's what it supports, but god knows how these things can get turned around by politicians and used against the shooting community by the antis, so whilst I feel bad for the chap, I don't think I would sign it. no offense, and hope you understand.

PKL

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

For a strict liabilty offence, which the man plead guilty to and was found guilty of.... which also carries a "mandatory" minimum tariff of five years custodial sentence...

Just what is the appropriate punishment? in your opinion.

Btw, sorry if my quoting isn't up to your standards. I just use the reply with quote facility and do not edit your words in any way. So, if I'm quoting you wrongly I can only appologise but suggest you take it up with the site admin as there must be some sort of software malfunction.

You will never be up to my standards.. Being the clever dick you are, show me any post of mine where i said he should not be punished!!

Virbius

If you wish to liken a SF soldier who had a couple of things he shouldnt and the sentencing to the sick paedo Saville and the treatment he should get then im sure it wont be long before your a magistrate or judge..

 

[Virbius]

Interesting ph1, you've actually highlighted one of the key points of this whole issue, which is down to the interpretation and perception that people have of each case.

In one case we have a war hero who happened to break the law, in the other we have an alleged paedophile that happened to raise a huge amount of money for children’s charities.

In one case a very good bloke with a little bit of bad, in the other a (alleged) very bad bloke with a little bit of good. In law however there is common ground: they both broke the law! And I never made direct comparison between the two individuals concerned.

 

[Jimbo 30 06]

Hi Micky hope your well and safe. Have just signed the petition and done a few words in the comments box. We have the best Military personnel in the world and Sergant Nightingale is crusified FOLLOWING A BRAIN INJURY WHILE DOING CHARITY WORK but we treat Abhu Hamza and Katarda better WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GOING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Jimbo

 

[Penyard]

Signed

 

[Jimbo 30 06]

And before anyone mentions the brain injury or his colleagues that perished as an excuse, he had plenty of opportunity to put his affairs in order in the time he returned to the UK and fell ill in Brazil. With the additional information regarding the ammunition that has surfaced, I am wrestling with my concience regarding signing the petition. That is my opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

Virbius
Unless you have witnessed someone killed then i suggest that you do not realise the impact that has on someone and how they react.


What sort of a noble man was he who would conceal or attempt to conceal his diminished mental capacity from his beloved fellow soldiers? ... Was he really such a good guy, I think... No! he showed himself willing to cheat, regardless of possible consequence and his disjointed story will not do.

Tamus

The article i read says he battled to regain fitness to return to duty that is not cheating. In my opinion that shows how much courage sergant Nightingale has. His determination and commitment to the military is as i see it exemplary.

Jimbo

 

[204 Ruger]

Shocking. Have signed already.

 

[andy9308]

loyalty & trust count for nothing these days.

 

[teabag_46]

Tamus, in addition to Jimbos post, it is not lying or cheating, it is 'soldiering on'.

 

[finnbear270]

I'm pretty much hoping for a fast review of his case, so we can put this thread to the back pages.

 

[Tamus]

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/nightingale-proceedings-0607112012.pdf

Thanks for this Archer. Excellent work. Having finally read it all the way through... three times now... what a wonderful insight into proceedings.

The findings still leave me utterly, utterly baffled though. Good intent was accepted even though such intent was not demonstrated in any way at any point... over four years. Indeed the very opposite seems to me to have been demonstrated and I'm tempted to cry "Whitewash". However, it seems the man may have further "use" in the Army and for that to happen he may not be dismissed... so "whitewash" it is, with a token sentence as a slap over the wrists in order that hstory may not judge the authorities lacking in dilegence.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sas-man-who-killed-ex-970279

And... the story reported in that article is exactly the sort of outcome we all fear... and with clear good reason.

How many other of those "boys-who-will-be-boys" have kept their illicit weaponry?

Archer?... "maker of cannon balls for others to fire?"