Please sign SAS man jailed
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NorthDorset
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Good find Archer!
Doesnt make happy reading does it?
Not sure I would have wanted to be in Mr Nightingales shoes.
The Ammo (and the flares dropped from prosecution) does also cast a tricky light for the defence. However he has pleaded guilty, he isnt denying it.
Can but hope an appeal finds something further to mitigate. It does read that he got away from a mandatory 5 years.
Amazing the way Fleet Street sensationalise things isnt it?
Doesnt make happy reading does it?
Not sure I would have wanted to be in Mr Nightingales shoes.
The Ammo (and the flares dropped from prosecution) does also cast a tricky light for the defence. However he has pleaded guilty, he isnt denying it.
Can but hope an appeal finds something further to mitigate. It does read that he got away from a mandatory 5 years.
Amazing the way Fleet Street sensationalise things isnt it?
pheasant sniper 1
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Another shite quote....
Show me where any of my posts say he shouldnt be punished!!!
No need for big word name calling...
If your going to quote me atleast read my posts properly without your bigoted opinion causing assumption..
pheasant sniper 1
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Not as amazing as some of the folk on here
So, having read the actual facts of the court martial it looks like he got 18 months having plead guilty to a charge that starts with a mandatory 5 year sentence. Looks like they actually dealt with him pretty leniently, despite not believing much of the key elements of his mitigation.
Also quite ironic having a re-read of the 2nd thread on the 'Similar Threads' list below...
Also quite ironic having a re-read of the 2nd thread on the 'Similar Threads' list below...
Tamus
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For a strict liabilty offence, which the man plead guilty to and was found guilty of.... which also carries a "mandatory" minimum tariff of five years custodial sentence...
Just what is the appropriate punishment? in your opinion.
Btw, sorry if my quoting isn't up to your standards. I just use the reply with quote facility and do not edit your words in any way. So, if I'm quoting you wrongly I can only appologise but suggest you take it up with the site admin as there must be some sort of software malfunction.
craigievarkiller
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whilst I feel sorry for the chap and understand why people are frustrated by the outcome of this case, I personally would not like to put my name on a piece of paper that could be construed as supporting the breach of firearms legislation..I'm not saying that's what it supports, but god knows how these things can get turned around by politicians and used against the shooting community by the antis, so whilst I feel bad for the chap, I don't think I would sign it. no offense, and hope you understand.
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pheasant sniper 1
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You will never be up to my standards.. Being the clever dick you are, show me any post of mine where i said he should not be punished!!
Virbius
If you wish to liken a SF soldier who had a couple of things he shouldnt and the sentencing to the sick paedo Saville and the treatment he should get then im sure it wont be long before your a magistrate or judge..
Virbius
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Interesting ph1, you've actually highlighted one of the key points of this whole issue, which is down to the interpretation and perception that people have of each case.
In one case we have a war hero who happened to break the law, in the other we have an alleged paedophile that happened to raise a huge amount of money for children’s charities.
In one case a very good bloke with a little bit of bad, in the other a (alleged) very bad bloke with a little bit of good. In law however there is common ground: they both broke the law! And I never made direct comparison between the two individuals concerned.
In one case we have a war hero who happened to break the law, in the other we have an alleged paedophile that happened to raise a huge amount of money for children’s charities.
In one case a very good bloke with a little bit of bad, in the other a (alleged) very bad bloke with a little bit of good. In law however there is common ground: they both broke the law! And I never made direct comparison between the two individuals concerned.
Jimbo 30 06
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Hi Micky hope your well and safe. Have just signed the petition and done a few words in the comments box. We have the best Military personnel in the world and Sergant Nightingale is crusified FOLLOWING A BRAIN INJURY WHILE DOING CHARITY WORK but we treat Abhu Hamza and Katarda better WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GOING IN THIS COUNTRY.
Jimbo
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Jimbo 30 06
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And before anyone mentions the brain injury or his colleagues that perished as an excuse, he had plenty of opportunity to put his affairs in order in the time he returned to the UK and fell ill in Brazil. With the additional information regarding the ammunition that has surfaced, I am wrestling with my concience regarding signing the petition. That is my opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs.
Virbius
Unless you have witnessed someone killed then i suggest that you do not realise the impact that has on someone and how they react.
What sort of a noble man was he who would conceal or attempt to conceal his diminished mental capacity from his beloved fellow soldiers? ... Was he really such a good guy, I think... No! he showed himself willing to cheat, regardless of possible consequence and his disjointed story will not do.
Tamus
The article i read says he battled to regain fitness to return to duty that is not cheating. In my opinion that shows how much courage sergant Nightingale has. His determination and commitment to the military is as i see it exemplary.
Jimbo
Virbius
Unless you have witnessed someone killed then i suggest that you do not realise the impact that has on someone and how they react.
What sort of a noble man was he who would conceal or attempt to conceal his diminished mental capacity from his beloved fellow soldiers? ... Was he really such a good guy, I think... No! he showed himself willing to cheat, regardless of possible consequence and his disjointed story will not do.
Tamus
The article i read says he battled to regain fitness to return to duty that is not cheating. In my opinion that shows how much courage sergant Nightingale has. His determination and commitment to the military is as i see it exemplary.
Jimbo
I'm pretty much hoping for a fast review of his case, so we can put this thread to the back pages.
Tamus
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Thanks for this Archer. Excellent work. Having finally read it all the way through... three times now... what a wonderful insight into proceedings.
The findings still leave me utterly, utterly baffled though. Good intent was accepted even though such intent was not demonstrated in any way at any point... over four years. Indeed the very opposite seems to me to have been demonstrated and I'm tempted to cry "Whitewash". However, it seems the man may have further "use" in the Army and for that to happen he may not be dismissed... so "whitewash" it is, with a token sentence as a slap over the wrists in order that hstory may not judge the authorities lacking in dilegence.
And... the story reported in that article is exactly the sort of outcome we all fear... and with clear good reason.
How many other of those "boys-who-will-be-boys" have kept their illicit weaponry?
Archer?... "maker of cannon balls for others to fire?"
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