pointing Lab
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WHAT you will have is simply a crossbreed, with any offspring being mongrels, any responsible breeder wouldnt intensionly cross these fine breeds,there is simply nothing to be gained ,as the gwp is more than capable of fulfiling most if not all roles in the field,a quick fix aint the answer, then again its all a learning curve.
A very popular cross with hill keepers, don't think you will be disappointed.
glyn
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as the owner of an 18 month old gwp(sire) x lab(dam) dog i fully agree with ALL of the above , the most affectionate ,biddable dog i have ever owned or known from 30+ years of shooting/working dogs , and more than capable of doing what's nessesary whilst out stalking when required !, not sure if i would get invited back out picking up twice on a driven shoot though 
the quote about being looked down on is always going to be there though ! but hey what do you put first the ethics of the job in hand or appearance of your dog ??? your call !!! BUT I KNOW WHAT I PUT FIRST .Some time back there was a call for a national register of deer dogs to be formed but mongrels were "excluded " so if thats what you are after think twice first !!
the quote about being looked down on is always going to be there though ! but hey what do you put first the ethics of the job in hand or appearance of your dog ??? your call !!! BUT I KNOW WHAT I PUT FIRST .Some time back there was a call for a national register of deer dogs to be formed but mongrels were "excluded " so if thats what you are after think twice first !!
8x57
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It sounds like you have all benefited from the right traits coming to the fore, coundn't it just as easily have resulted in a dog with the worst of both breeds?
If you could be sure that only the best traits were present, I for one would love one of these dogs.
glyn I can understand you not being invited back to pick up, those GWP's can be a bit hard mouthed. Great for deer but a dog with a mouth like an alligator isn't very good with game birds really.
If you could be sure that only the best traits were present, I for one would love one of these dogs.
glyn I can understand you not being invited back to pick up, those GWP's can be a bit hard mouthed. Great for deer but a dog with a mouth like an alligator isn't very good with game birds really.
glyn
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I have an aquatance that referes to his GWP as a "HAIRY CROCODILE " i know why now!!
Yes you are right about the traits "it is a gamble"! but i have been lucky this time .
When i first went to see the litter " both parents belonged to a keeper " and the mating was unplanned!I said idealy i would like a lab with BIGGER BALLS ! and he laughed !!! certainly got my wish
Do not rely on them pointing though! its still early days with mine i think ,at 18 months old , he locks up solid on wind /scent when stalking ALL I NEED and once properly pointed a roe "nose and tail out" he seems quite keen on charlie ( no encouragement at all here ) i used to have a couple of GOOD border terriers that he would have given a run for their money !
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glyn
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just curious nell ,any idea how old they were ?as this is the first dog i've had with any pointing instincts and nothing to compare him with
THE hybrid vigour disappears with next generation, im sure they are good dogs there own way, just puzzled why , anyone who was serious about there dogs would ,settle for second best ,unless its fianacial, because few yrs down line your back square one,as for the KC, critising them easy ,and a total lack undertanding,their full of "hybred vigor" a dam good dog . What do the kennel club do with all the money they make anyway . Get the cross breed honest you wont look back but you might get looked down on
JabaliHunter
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So which way round? Lab on GWP bitch or GWP on Lab bitch? I suppose the latter would increase the chances of the rough coat and reduce the risk of bad hips in the pups?
which way round,wouldnt matter a dot,,,and certainly have no bearing on hip score///health screening the sire/dam only way prevent bad hips, at least you no were your working from instead fishing dark
2nd best I am not sure about that, I don't have one so no axe to grind but know a lot of hill men who do, now these are the attributes the guys that I have spoken to give them, firstly look OK with a long tail which most people don't think a GWP does multi purpose better retrievers than a GWP most don't have the hard mouth that a lot GWPs have
but still hard enough to mix it with a fox, they also say they mature quicker and are easier to train than GWP
say similar to train as a pure lab.
A lot of these hill men use them for everything retrieving game, tracking deer and vermin control.
I don't quite get your point about a few years down the line and your back to square one , these are first cross then these guys are breeding the offspring to each other, in effect a new breed which is how most of our present day breeds came about, there is enough demand from keepers that there is no problem selling pups.
As I have said don't have one myself, and I am only repeating what I have been told by people who have them.
What I will say is IMO the crosses are better looking dogs than either a lab or a GWP but that is just my opinion
For the record I am a GSP man
They work on the hill better than a lab , their quicker to mature than a pointer and softer mouthed . As for fianacial reasons , its that what coursed the problems with pedigee dogs ? breeding for money instead of breeding good workers to good workers to replace your stock . Could you also tell me what good the KC have done with all your money from litters youve registered and all the shows the run . Terriers is my thing , i breed workers to workers , looks are unmiportant to me nor money , i give pups to mates so i know where my blood is . Ive worked with grouse on moors you will have heard of , ive had labs pointers and crosses and the cross is a far more versatile dog , my understanding comes from experience of all three of the breeds above .
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your deluding yourself by thinking a x breeds offspring creats a new breed,a good dog man has a breeding programne , 5 or 10 yrs down line,leave the gwp too the owners and breeders that understand this specialaste breed, as for looks are unimportant, there is only one breed standard pertaining too all///its easy too criticise KC when your on outside looking in,ME i call it ignorance for if we adhered too the VDD ,we wouldnt be having this discussion plain and simple
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