Potential new stalking show

I am probably going against the grain here but I would like to see some carcasses that have got some form of disease like TB or liver fluke and how to identify it for the first time stalker to make sure that they have the opportunity to see things like that before they get into the field.

I also think that if you can link a camera up to the telescopic sights and show a good shot placement in slow motion that would also help novices gain a better understanding of what to look for down the scope. It's all very well aiming at a paper target with a sticker on it whilst doing the DSC1 but I have never seen a deer with a target painted on it in the wild.

Just a thought, educational as well as enjoyment. I suppose Bewsher500 sums it up quite well.
 
How about going now and again around the UK including Ireland to see recreational/hobby stalkers and the setup they use, not everyone has a Blaser R8 or the brand new Mauser, have a look at their 10 year old rifle, prove it still shoots straight even though its not the newest rifle.

​Go out for a morning stalk and video it all, will need lots of editing but it would be good to see how other people stalk and do things, may not shoot anything but it would be interesting. I have no interest in all the presenters just going and shooting one after the other every week. We have the passion and love of what we are doing, not just promoting companies/equipment.
 
How about going now and again around the UK including Ireland to see recreational/hobby stalkers and the setup they use, not everyone has a Blaser R8 or the brand new Mauser, have a look at their 10 year old rifle, prove it still shoots straight even though its not the newest rifle.

​Go out for a morning stalk and video it all, will need lots of editing but it would be good to see how other people stalk and do things, may not shoot anything but it would be interesting. I have no interest in all the presenters just going and shooting one after the other every week. We have the passion and love of what we are doing, not just promoting companies/equipment.
Bang on Discopete, just what we want to do. No ******** just stalking.
 
Feel free to come down to Devon if you take the plunge and make a go of it. Be good to try and support something that could benefit us all. I will happily volunteer my father to be filmed for tv!!! I have only been stalking 11 years so nowhere near experienced enough to be on tv.:-D
 
Feel free to come down to Devon if you take the plunge and make a go of it. Be good to try and support something that could benefit us all. I will happily volunteer my father to be filmed for tv!!! I have only been stalking 11 years so nowhere near experienced enough to be on tv.:-D
Thanks for the offer! PM with contact details and we can chat. The experience levels really don`t matter, I have learnt new things from all sorts of folk.
 
He has about three preferred calibres if you watch enough of him
.270 is one, 7mm Rem mag is another

I'll take your word for it. In the video I posted it is a .270. Worth mentioning in case anyone is confused by the start where a 7mm Rem Mag was used by a different person. AFAIK he mostly uses .270, and mostly sticks to the one gun, as he explained.
 
He is truly phenomenal. "Spectacular" even. I am in total awe... it's stuff like that that gets the youtube hits and makes the big money... which is kind of my point... "Spectacle" is required of sport by the viewing public. Training videos are an excellent idea.... as a prelude to actually doing it for real... but I doubt if the "hit" rate for that will be anywhere near so high... Sport follows the demands of the viewer once that particular Pandora's box of publicity is opened... it's happened in every other successfully publicised sport so why would that same pressure not come to bear here? ... Of course, if it flops on youtube... no such issue arises. ps. Franz-Albrecht speaks a fair bit of English in the vid I posted, but his continental, aristo-charm and good looks aside... it's definitely the "money shots" that draw the crowds and sell the aimpoints. .... The whole of that last sentence is entirely not what deer stalking in the UK is about... I don't want to come to the SD in several years time to read about the succession of (by then) household names who have "raised" stalking to cult or celebrity status... Note: slopes tend to become slippery when wet. :D
Bewsher500, then Tamus - Thats it ;)
 
Go out for a morning stalk and video it all, will need lots of editing but it would be good to see how other people stalk and do things, may not shoot anything but it would be interesting.

Sorry, but that sounds rather boring if no result.

Its all in the editing.

Production values also key.

Shavesgreen, I applaud your enthusiasm, but unless you have had some sort of tuition in filming, and decent equipment, I fear your initial efforts may appear rather amateur.

Show us some of your videos so far, and don't be afraid of robust criticism.
 
I like the idea of showing different people stalking from somebody on a first outing to the more experienced also not needing the latest greatest thing but just stalking skills and the nessesary kit . I also think showing the countryside and the different wildlife we see whilst out stalking ,i think this is important to show all these elements as well as choosing qaurry and cull plans not just randomly shooting deer this might even get new people on board . Like pinemartin said a passion for angling captured this for fishing so hopefully you can do something similar,good luck wayne
 
I would just like to see "Mr Average" enjoying country sports,not Team Wild or any other rubbish all they do is promote certain products.Down to earth Mr Joe public who works monday to friday, then on his or hers weekend off enjoys their country sports ie ferreting,fishing, picking up or what ever,I"m looking forward to your first programme.Great idea.
​Atb John
 
I will talk to you about this more tomorrow but I would say I think you are over estimating how much time and effort it takes to produce something worthy. If you want to proceed and produce a weekly show then you need to be making this your full time job.

There is also the issue of content. Team wild started off doing a weekly show, they then decided to do a daily show... I would bet within 2-3 months they will be out of content and will fade from our screens. Also what they produce is not good quality, it is cheap mass media designed to appeal to the masses (a formula that works in the US) but does not have the same appeal in Europe as more european hunters are old school.

These are good quality:
Searching for West on Vimeo


The difference is Searching for west had a budget of $250,000.

I would honestly look at doing something high quality and producing it monthly or bi-monthly and the key is to make it educational. The object should be to win people over not turn them off by stabbing a pig with a knife in texas.
 
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Sorry, but that sounds rather boring if no result.

Its all in the editing.

Production values also key.

Shavesgreen, I applaud your enthusiasm, but unless you have had some sort of tuition in filming, and decent equipment, I fear your initial efforts may appear rather amateur.

Surely that's what this is about, proper stalking they way most people do it, if you want to see things being shot every 5 minutes watch the 3 already running! You couldn't follow somebody every week that would get tedious but now and again would be good I think.
 
If I wanted to watch nothing happening for hours I would watch the test card, how ever much people slag off certain program's , the majority want entertainment, which costs money, so you need sponsorship, which means advertising.
I have never watched team wild or any other video channel, but even jack Hargreaves needed adverts.
i wish you luck in your attempt at making a program.
 
The name for the show "Stalk to fork". Bewsher for president.
Also perhaps add interest eg, name some the plants the stalker is walking through,a 5 minute chat with the hedge layer or charcoal maker,what to do with the elderberries etc. This is all knolledge that has slipped in recent times.

Bryan.
 
This is a tall order but here’s what I’d really like to see. I would like to see programmes on stalking/shooting/hunting that convey something of the atmosphere, emotions and ethos of what we do rather than just the technical aspects and scorekeeping. This means that the photography has to do justice to the surroundings and the quarry. There may well not be any need to anyone to say very much for most it, just let the viewer drink it up visually. After all, stalking doesn’t involve much talking. There’s a place for “how to” sections and people talking about their rifles and Gore-Tex, but as an aside, not the main thrust of it. Similarly you need to film some actual shooting and some dead animals, but this should be done tastefully and showing respect to the animal. We know that things don’t go to plan sometimes, that animals are wounded, that’s there’s gore involved. The programmes shouldn’t shy away from what we do. But they should stress the context that it’s just the final act of a lengthy effort, and the beginning of the next process: turning the quarry into food.

I’m rambling a bit here but broadly, something more like “A Passion for Angling” was for fishing in the 90s and not so much like a Premiership football best goals compilation.

What he^ said :)
 
The name for the show "Stalk to fork". Bewsher for president.
Also perhaps add interest eg, name some the plants the stalker is walking through,a 5 minute chat with the hedge layer or charcoal maker,what to do with the elderberries etc. This is all knolledge that has slipped in recent times.

Bryan.

Please no, I get quite enough Countryfile and Ray Mears already. Surely there is some more realistic, nay gritty way to do this, perhaps also exposing the reality of the hard life of the people who do this for their livelihood, as opposed to the clientele like me, who avail themselves of their services.
 
Species:
There are 6 species of deer in the UK
huge proportion of stalkers have probably only shot 1 or 2 and probably never seen some of the smaller ones
I would like to see a range of stalking, not just highland red or arable fed roe.
Mix it up with boar

Nature:
I want to see shots of owls 6ft from a high seat, hares that walk into line of sight at 10ft as you are being so stealthy, the noises and smells of what we see outside at 5am on a summer's morning, roe fawns in a hay field, footage of wildlife that no-one else sees and coming home empty handed but happy because you just spent 6 hrs IN nature.

Conservation:
The bigger picture.
Everything that we do outside stalking in partnership with landowners and farmers, be it snaring, shooting vermin, feeders etc etc
The real country code
the darker picture (long dogs and poachers with .22's)

Sport:
There is more to what we do than on the day.
build a story around the full cradle to grave experience
going out with your dad as a kid, gradually getting more experience and responsibility until you see the deer before he does, your first rifle, your first deer, prep it, cook it, eat it, the pride
the time and effort and planning that goes into it, getting the clothes, boots, reloading, testing, zeroing, prepping the night before, the sleepless nights in anticipation, the early rises before the alarm had a chance to go off, the dog sitting on your coat/boots/rifle so as not to be left behind

The results:
The pause after the shot, watching the followers move off under their own steam, taking note of young, old, injured, pregnant, bucks, hinds, does and stags
the approach, The checks
The gralloch (and examination)
the carrying/dragging, loading, butchering, cutting, slicing, mincing, bagging, sausage, burger, bresaola making,
the barbecues, the sunday lunches, the dinners with non stalkers, and their genuine surprise at what they are actually eating and how nice it is!


Education:
anatomy and physiology - in detail.
butchery and cookery
ballistics and bullet choice
calibre and cartridges
optics and light
weather and waterproofing
toys and accesories


What should be avoided:

Painting deer as crop destroying, tree bashing, RTA causing vermin to be shot on sight - I want to see stalkers shown as the people who care about the deer the MOST not the LEAST
Tacticool gun crazies
balaclava wearing cammo clad snipers
long range shooting other than to test ability should something go wrong. I want to see how close people get not how far their latest custom 6.5x47 £5k rifle can hurl lead....we know that.


close up camera work when what we really want to see is the bigger picture
constant shot changing (think badly edited Tarantino film!)
intrusive soundtracks and poor dubbing - don't dumb it down, "genius it up"!

I read your amazing precis of stalking Bewsher500 and I got a shiver down my spine just thinking about my next outing. Great words and boy aren't we lucky participants in this stuff?

Mark
 
Pine Martin has nailed it for me. I loved a passion for angling.

Got to agree with this 100%. Have a look at roestalker on YouTube he makes good video and music fits if he adds it. He is also SD member.

I also like some instruction and best practise. It's good for new folk and for revision.
 
My all time favourites were the Jack Charlton programmes.

Occasionally some crass bits but serious respect shown to the quarry and never a numbers game like some of the programmes / videos available.

Oh yes now they were good actually brought a couple of them. Mainstream tv BBC wasn't it?
 
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