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Heym SR20 said:
,What I do not understand about the shooting industry is that many of the manufacturers and distributors want to keep prices high and maintain high margins.

This from a business perspective is stupid. Highly expensive means that the consumer, ie shooters will only buy in limited quantities and then only use things sparingly - because they are so expensive. So if you are paying £5 a cartridge - I heard of a gunshop selling RWS ammo at over £100 a box of 20 - you will either sell very few and then use 1 to check zero and the 1 per deer shot.

Or you won’t sell any, and they will sit on the shelf gathering dust.

Drop the price so that they actually sell, you still make a margin and shooters will then go and shoot the ammunition. Take the likes of PPU ammo. It’s cheap, so shooters are happy burning through £200 worth of ammo on a day at the range. But at £100 for 20, no ways will shooters use them up. That box of 20 cartridges will last a season or two for many shooters.

Net result is less money spent on ammo, much longer stock times (and stock is money just tied up and unusable for anything else) and less money overall for the industry.

But it’s ok because they are still making very high margin.

Going back to above example - £100 retail price per box - probably £25 being made by the retailer, £25 by the importer and £50 by manufacturer and supply chain.

Compare to the cheap ammo at over £20 a box. £5 to retailer, £5 to distributor and £50 by supply chain and manufacturers. Same margins.

Except that our shooting friend comes in once a month and spends £200 on ammo cos it’s cheap. Thats £50 a month to the retailer, or £300 a year. And the retailer and distribution liquidate their stock in a month.

Vs £100 a box of ammo - our shooter buys one box a year. Retailer makes but £50 a year, and takes a year to liquidate his stock.

You have the added pressure of manufacturers and distributors punishing retailers who actually move stock by offering good prices, because they want to maintain brand prestige. Again doesn’t make any sense.
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On a similar vein, I know a chap, novice target shooter and had just bought his first rifle (.308). Went into a well known gun shop in Scotland (that I suspect primarily caters to the better to do stalker) to buy some "premium target ammo" to see if that made a difference to his shooting.

Do you know what he left with? An old box of 170gr Lapua Naturalis, for the pleasure of £70... Note, as a target shooter, I'm fairly confident every range he would have access to would not allow monolithics. When he got home and actually googled the ammo, to discover it is a fairly premium hunting round (not to mention niche...), he called back the shop to complain that they sold him hunting ammo, the response was "well, you can shoot it at targets as well..." (Except he can't, see previous sentence on monolithics!)

When I heard of this through a mutual friend, I couldn't help but scratch the head over the business logic - or lack there of...

For the sake of £70, and clearing away some ammo that the shop probably would never shift, they've lost a customer. Not just any customer, but a target shooter! I am fairly confident in saying that there will be a large number of stalkers who could quite possibly never shoot more than a box or two of ammo a year (some may be as low as single digit). Most target shooters I know would easily go through that in a range session.

One would have thought that a no-brainer, ideal customer for a retailer... But each to their own I guess!
 
Heym SR20 said:
In Germany ammo is also expensive.

I suppose when the so called leader of free World is hell bent on having wars burning up huge amounts of ammo, then any ammo will be expensive. Perhaps he should have stuck with being friends with paedophiles and a convicted sexual molester and fraudster. What a world we live in. Ammo costs are the least of our worries.

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Rws is way more expensive than Sako. Apples and pears tbh.
Curious to know what Rws prices are in the UK.
 
Bo Diddley said:
I must admit, as much as I love outwitting a fox at night, I often think I must be a bit touched in the head for doing it for sweet eff all, you can't run a fox into the dealer and get a few notes in your hand... and the local Chinese restaurant doesn't want them anymore either :rolleyes:..
I think VSS always reckons it should be a paid job ...
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Your local Chinese restaurant doesn't want them ANYMORE??
Ye gods.
 
Bo Diddley said:
I must admit, as much as I love outwitting a fox at night, I often think I must be a bit touched in the head for doing it for sweet eff all, you can't run a fox into the dealer and get a few notes in your hand... and the local Chinese restaurant doesn't want them anymore either :rolleyes:..
I think VSS always reckons it should be a paid job ...
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Doing some one pest control for free is a bit crazy, you dont see mechanics trying to service a combine for free
 
new vs old stock in the shop makes a big difference on the price, if you find the ammo you shoot at the old price buy as much as you can afford and FAC permits.
 
Heym SR20 said:
Raw material price of copper really has very little to do with cost of bullets and ammo. Look at RWS - price of the HIT ammo - solid copper, is pretty much the same as their ammo with the ID Classic or H Mantel bullets - these are lead cored bonded partition type bullets.

Or look at the price of premium bonded or partition bullets vs monolithic’s - they are all the same sort of price.

As regards a car, there is already significant quantities of copper in there already, notably in the starter motor and alternator as well as all the wiring. The size of motors used in EVs are really quite small and probably not significantly more than what is already used. Quite a few new designs of motors are now using aluminium in the windings instead of copper.
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More availability, and a quick search suggests 3-4 times more copper per vehicle, plus all the extra housing on its way. Just a point that when we push for more electric, copper will be more in demand (ask any wire thief) be it for wiring, piping or tubing.
 
AGR said:
No one pays me to go fishing. Sometimes it's just a no pressure hobby.
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Quite, also where would the country and the countryside be without volunteers, a good example is corvid/pigeon/rats/rabbits shooting,
to the volunteers giving up their time to help people.
Compared to smoking and drinking, shooting is quite a cheap hobby with people stupid enough to smoke 7 days a week :rofl:
 
Heym SR20 said:
Raw material price of copper really has very little to do with cost of bullets and ammo. Look at RWS - price of the HIT ammo - solid copper, is pretty much the same as their ammo with the ID Classic or H Mantel bullets - these are lead cored bonded partition type bullets.

Or look at the price of premium bonded or partition bullets vs monolithic’s - they are all the same sort of price.

As regards a car, there is already significant quantities of copper in there already, notably in the starter motor and alternator as well as all the wiring. The size of motors used in EVs are really quite small and probably not significantly more than what is already used. Quite a few new designs of motors are now using aluminium in the windings instead of copper.
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There is of course the 1.5m thick cable in the boot to plug into sockets when away from home.
Here Franconias in Germanys deal on ammo
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Home loading is the way forward. I like to send a few down the range with my .416 Rigby once a month. Just looked up Barnes ammo (I shoot home loaded TSX) and a box of facotry ammo is now £270 for 20 rounds! Absolute madness!

I used to home load my .22 Hornet for the same price as .17HMR!
 
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