Would this new card qualify wether three stalks or only one had been examined for L2?
Qualifications card
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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When I was keepering, one of the very worst and most dangerous shots I ever came across had done both DSC1 and 2 courses and passed. He was so bad he was banned from coming again. Certainly gave me food for thought when it came to doing courses.
Sika-Hunter
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baguio
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An idiot will always be an idiot and they appear in all walks of life. Being able to pass a test doesn't change them as a person. I'm sure we all know one and their reputation usually comes before them. Idiots are usually invited by idiots though. Therefore I would be looking very closely at the person who invited a dangerous person. Don't blame a course/test because an idiot enrolled on it though because that would be very naïve.
That is exactly right. Which is why a test such as DSC1 is such a useful adjuant to experience gained in the field. The two go hand in hand. One without the other tells you nothing much about a person's ability or level of knowledge.
bottletopbill
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At my club today was asked how did I get a 243 with out doing aDSC1 course as the person thought you had to have this.
Sorry nothing against a DSC1 but I feel I am to old now and would rather be tested by a Stalker and assessed by them on my stalking and deer gralloching
Yes I know you are never to old but this is my choice. Yes you have to learn different ways and keep up to date as we know changes are always being made.
Sorry nothing against a DSC1 but I feel I am to old now and would rather be tested by a Stalker and assessed by them on my stalking and deer gralloching
Yes I know you are never to old but this is my choice. Yes you have to learn different ways and keep up to date as we know changes are always being made.
baguio
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Correct, you are never too old to learn. One of the guys on the Deer Managers course I done a few years ago is on here and was well into his 60s. He passed easily. You can also just sit the exam for DSC1 as I'm sure you know. The problem is that without DSC1 you cannot prove that you ever had the up to date knowledge despite possibly being the most knowledgeable stalker on the planet. It's all very well saying that you (and probably many others too) would rather be tested by a Stalker and assessed by them on my stalking and deer gralloching but unless you register and complete DSC2 you're never going to be subject to such an assessment. It really isn't something to be frightened of and if you're confident of your knowledge you will breeze it. Most of it is basic common sense and not being an idiot!
Yes, that is fair enough. But somewhere along the line the testers have to be tested, to set a standard.
As has already been pointed out in this thread, not all "experienced" stalkers would be capable of passing such a simple test as the DSC1, despite their undoubted self-confidence in their own ability. How is a newcomer to stalking supposed to know whether his mentor genuinely knows his stuff, or whether he's one of the ones who would have failed? And how would you know whether your tester was really up to the job of testing you?
Sika-Hunter
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Just out of interest what makes an "Experienced Stalker" 2/5/10/20+yrs in the field. All the Experienced Stalkers i know are more than capable of passing the DSC1 shooting test without any worries, so i would say these "Experienced" people failing the test are just the self acclaimed ones. Just because you have a driving license with a nice photo detailing all the vehicles you can drive doesn't make you a Sebastian Vettel .
Magnificent 7
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I’m not quite sure why Connor embarrasses him self with these posts from time to time.Genuinely no one is interested bar the numptys with these cards or any of your other garbage Basc you have lost your way you genuinely need to take Stock and possibly regroup the original founders must be spinning in there graves the way you lot have unwound all there hard work
baguio
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Well at least BASC show their face on here. It's not often that any of the other so called shooting organisations show their faces. They appear to me to simply be collecting the membership fees and offer zero!
And, are you saying that anyone and everyone who's interested in anything from BASC is a numpty? Is that just your opinion or fact?
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Utectok
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It does look rather good
Yep. You've hit the nail on the head there.
But it takes some kind of test or evaluation to a recognised standard to determine which are the real experts and which are the self acclaimed experts, if those experts are then to mentor or evaluate others.
You would be surprised how long some people have been stalking for, who still fail the DSC1 shooting test at the first attempt (accompanied by a ready excuse), and perhaps equally surprised how many people who've never even fired a rifle before sail through it (much to the embarrassment of those experienced stalkers who've just messed up). Which just goes to show, in my opinion, why both experience gained in the field and some kind of evaluation are the best bet.
baguio
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That's the problem. Experience is very hard to quantify. 20 years in the field would require 8hrs/day 365 days a year for 60 years. I doubt any human has has ever done that except maybe Tarzan? Holding an FAC for 50 years means absolutely nothing and is no proof of knowledge or experience. Some of us are out 'all the time' and some are out only once or twice a year. It's quite conceivable that someone stalking for 2 years can have achieved more knowledge and experience than someone holding an FAC for 50 years and especially if they have a genuinely knowledgeable and experienced mentor.
I have seen the targets of some of those stalkers with close on 50 years 'experience' and a shotgun with full choke would give a tighter group. I cringe when people start the conversation with "I've been doing this for 50 years" Why do we care about that? Teach me something. Educate me. Correct me on what I'm doing wrong or could do better but time holding an FAC doesn't guarantee anything!
Dunwaters
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You have it there in a nut shell. Its not how long you’ve been doing the job, its demonstrating that you can do it to an acceptable standard. The shooting test should be a gimme, but its often passed only after repeats.
Just as a matter of interest I’d love to know what the failure rate is on level 1 and level 2 .
A qualification that no one fails isn‘t much of an achievement.
Sika-Hunter
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Thanks for the Math lesson but kind of meant 20yrs in the job and not 20yrs without nipping home for the odd beer and sandwich
2yrs vs 50yrs would certainly be an extreme example for someone to achieve such knowledge but i guess with your reply you must know such a person, so who am i to question that.
Sika-Hunter
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I asked this question a few posts back because when i done DSC1 20+ years ago no one failed . The shooting test saw many new folk to the sport given numerous chances to get x3 into a 4" target. These people all passed eventually and some even went back the next day to try again with the talk of the "Card" showing your great skills would it mention missing the target with the first 15+ rounds . I guess not
Bought a DSC2 medal/ badge off Ebay £20. Lost mine but sorted now. I hope nobody thinks it would be a good idea to produce imitation medals/ badges. 
baguio
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And there we have it. You meant 20 years in a job whilst the next man meant 20 since he went stalking for the first time! They would both claim the 20 years experience though and neither would be lying in their own mind. And yes, I could name one or two with '50yrs experience' who know next to nothing! I could also name one or two with only a few years experience who know a vast amount because I taught them!Thanks for the Math lesson but kind of meant 20yrs in the job and not 20yrs without nipping home for the odd beer and sandwich
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