Quarry Species Question

Thanks Pete,
I do enjoy what I call our green history. The history of our land and the folklore beliefs of its people. That's why on this site I call myself Beowulf. Too little is known about this countries past, after all are ancestors beliefs helped shape it.

I'm researching the story of Hearne the Hunter at present, very inspiring!
 
hello beowulf, you say you are researching 'hearne the hunter' at present, is this via a credit card only website?? :shock: :lol:
 
What an interesting discussion.

My views have changed quite a lot over the years. There was a time when I would have hunted and shot anything legal but now I really don't have an interest in shooting anything other than animals with antlers/horns (including females) or boar.

Also, my friends find it particularly hard to understand why a deer, pheasant or duck etc., would be safer in my garden than almost anywhere else.

I haven't shot a hare in many many years and I could not justify shooting any predator just for fun as none of them are around in sufficient numbers, they would have to be injured or a rogue.

I would also have little interest in shooting an elephant unless it was not part of a family group and for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to shoot a baboon or some of the other small non edible animals that seem so popular with our Transatlantic friends in their trophy rooms.
 
Elephants,Rhino,Tiger,Lion,Giraffe,Bear,Polar Bear and hares.
I am a bit soft and have let a few mother/calf roe deer combinations go by like some other posters.
Badgers I do like them but given instructions to cull them I wouldn't have a problem pulling the trigger.
I kill for a living and feel nowadays that I am not so eager to pull the trigger and I think its all down to respecting my quarry.Or i've went totally soft in my old age
Hind-sight
 
Personally I deplore trophy hunting in all its guises. If you have to search inside yourself for moral justification then you shouldn't have pressed the trigger,,,,, As for killing an elephant and justifying it by feeding the starving locals... what tosh!!!
Anyone who pays for the opportunity to kill a particular animal then attempts to justify the action in any terms other than "I've got money, I'll spend it how I like.
I know this will be "a less than popular stance hereabouts but...
Anyone who has access to that animal 365 days a year ( ie the locals/natives) are the people with the strongest moral hunting rights whether it be Africa, Alaska, Inverness, Dumfriss or Exmoor.
Keep the money out of shooting because money and sport DON'T mix. :???:
 
I guess for me the point at which i would draw a line is paying to shoot a trophy head of any kind. I would imagine like most of you I grapple with the concept that I might kill for fun and try and put that to one side by eating what I kill (other than vermin). If I have paid to shoot and come away with the head only then I think I would struggle with the logic. Following on from another thread though if you were to hunt a beaver would you eat it. :lol:
 
ssgpiv said:
Following on from another thread though if you were to hunt a beaver would you eat it. :lol:

To a large degree that depends on it's age. Legally, beaver has to be a certain age before it can be safely eaten. There is however, no upper age limit. Though popular conception is, that it deteriorates with age. Although, there are a few on this very site that may well prefer older beaver??? :-D
 
There are many that regard any Beaver with Fur on to be fair game. I personally prefer my Beaver to be a bit older than this but not too old or the flavour is very gamey!!!!! :lol:
 
Shortshot,
I have no issue with people disliking big game hunting, and no ethical stalker/hunter including myself would kill amy protected species, or want to see any species eradicated, that is not what I, we are all about. Yet some people on here have no problem with maybe shooting a Badger, which is protected?

The Elephant I culled had only half a trunk, having lost the other half in a poachers snare.Unable to feed properley as it had lost its prehensile tip it had lost weight and some condition and was very bad tempered. I paid no trophy fee, nor did I keep the ivory or skin, this was kept under guard after I had completed the job, and taken back to a government station. I believe it was sold and the money redistributed back to the local people, as it was tribal lands I was hunting on, which was under the camp fire scheme.
If I had not shot it someone else would have had to do the job, which would not have been a local person, you see contrary to what you have said you dont find may locals with a 375HH to do the job properly ;) It would have died a slow lingering death and could have killed someone. My one shot killed it instantly, and it suffered no more. And YES it fed a village of very hungry people, calling this TOSH!! is to my mind a stupid and arrogant thing to do!!, What experiance have you had of a similar situation ?

As PeterE has already pointed out, Africa's wildlife will not sustain itself through Eco tourism alone, and many ranchers are converting their barren cattle farms into game areas, not only for tourists but also for hunting. On tribal lands the wildlife dept carries out a cencus to estimate a cull (much the same as we all do in managing deer) and the local people take a share of the overall profit from the game culled, plus they are employed by the safari company, and also get most of the meat. This then stops poaching as the locals can see the wildlife that can conflict with their spartan farming is worth money and worth conserving and protecting.

Whilst i have no problem withyour point of view,(and I am not a wealthy millionaire) I find it rather odd that on the one hand you deplore trophy hunting, and also the payment for any stalking/hunting, and yet do we not all pay for our sport, in leases,or permission, if not in cash then favours or a share of the venison in some way or another, or perhaps you are a wealthy landowner with plenty of deer to shoot of your own?

Legal sustainable trophy hunting does no overall damage to any animal population, if managed correctly and ethically. It is usually the sign of a well managed game area that is capable of sustaining a cull of old males that are beyond breeding condition or are about to be. Your comment about even local people in Scotland being allowed to stalk/hunt their own animals is again an odd comment I feel, after all they do already! along with a number of people off this site who are not Scottish, including ME!! long may it reamain so.
 
For some strange reason I have always thought that I would never hunt bear. Don't ask me why because I really don't know, I have never seen one in the wild so I have no particular affinity with them. I have pheasants that live in my garden, the safest pheasants in Scotland, would never dream of shooting one. Yet, if my mate down the road needed them thinned out a bit then I am only too happy to oblige. Yet I will shoot crows, foes ,rabbits etc until I run out of ammo without the slightest compunction.

I do know that like all stalkers I would never shoot anything just because I could, trophy hunting has never interested me, when people tell me about there giant stag with a huge head then ask me my favourite beast that I have taken. Well, it is invariably a yearling, calf free hind, preferably a Sika, much better eating. I would much rather see it in my freezer than hanging on the wall, but that's just what I think. If we were all the same this would be a boring old sport, and don't get me wrong I shoot my share of the antlered variety, it's just that I think the female of the species is the one to eat.

Which brings us nicely back to beaver :shock: :shock:

John
 
This Beaver business is turning out to be the longest thread on this site :roll:

Having said that a nice young one I have heard is very good eating, particularly if you boil their tail first.




In a jaccuzi
 
I have no problem with trophy hunting, although it's been a long while since I last had any urge to 'collect'. If surplus/cull/old animals need to be removed, far better that someone pays for the privelige and the money is ploughed back into conservation - as many enlightened minds in Africa in particular realised years ago.

Sadly the bunny huggers can't see from this point of view. Kruger National Park in SA is being devastated (and I mean devastated) by far too many elephants but culling has been vetoed so far by the Boer Bill Oddity equivalents. It's a job that needs to be done, and think of the income that it would generate ....

Same applies over here. Why shouldn't visitors pay to shoot good heads - the income funds the real deer effort which makes up the much larger part of the cull that is not as attractive to the paying sportsman.

I hate to ask, by the way, but is there a recommended calibre for beaver?
 
I dont have a problem with trophy hunting i just wouldnt pay to do it myself. I am unsure which calibre would be appropriate for beaver however if the shot needed to be taken i would have to use a short barrelled weapon.
 
you would have to be careful when choosing a weapon for beaver as you do not want the entry hole into the beaver to be very big!! :roll:
may i suggest aswell before eating the beaver, make sure it is thoroughly cleaned as they tend to give off a 'musky' smell when cracked open... :lol:
probably best if 'spit roasted' :roll:

hope this helps!!
regards

duggers
 
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