Re-barreling UK

Uncas

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Why is so costly to re- barrel an action over here, nearly everyone you ask oh it's going to be around 750.00 to 1,000
pounds! what's going on?
If we where in the USA we could contact E R Shaw and have an action re-barreled for 3/ to 500.00 dollars
and I am sure there would be others as cheap as well.
Rip-off England comes to mind.
 
£3-400 for what really is a tube of steel is a rip off when it's likely made in a short time on a cnc
What utter crap you have just spouted.I am involved with a barrel maker and I can tell you it takes at least 2hrs to just cut the rifling in a blank on a £35,000 Pratt & Whitney rifling machine..
But before we even get to that stage it has to be deep hole drilled, just google how much one of those machines cost.
Then it has to be profiled usually on a cnc lathe with a hydraulic support, just google that and see how much they cost.
Then theres the cost of the raw material, its not just a 33" length of mild steel..

Then theres the cost implications of the Gunsmith work, fitting it and sending off to proof..

So before you condemn the plethora of Gun smiths on here as rip off merchants get your F**king facts right.
 
I've seen barrel being made I'm not talking about custom rifle makers making them from scratch I was talking about main stream gun makers whipping barrels out of their factorys
 
What utter crap you have just spouted.I am involved with a barrel maker and I can tell you it takes at least 2hrs to just cut the rifling in a blank on a £35,000 Pratt & Whitney rifling machine..
But before we even get to that stage it has to be deep hole drilled, just google how much one of those machines cost.
Then it has to be profiled usually on a cnc lathe with a hydraulic support, just google that and see how much they cost.
Then theres the cost of the raw material, its not just a 33" length of mild steel..

Then theres the cost implications of the Gunsmith work, fitting it and sending off to proof..

So before you condemn the plethora of Gun smiths on here as rip off merchants get your F**king facts right.
How many of the uk gunsmith make barrles from scratch like that. i bet most start with an off the shelf rifled blank.
 
£3-400 for what really is a tube of steel is a rip off when it's likely made in a short time on a cnc
I seem to recall reading that a Sten gun was put together for a couple of quid, which included the steel barrel, but I think those days are long gone....................
 
@Uncas with chambered and shouldered pre-fit's coming to market and producing good results in the USA I think it will be a matter of time before someone in the UK can either offer a cheaper rebarreling service or even send one of these barrels to your RFD (saves you having to get a space on the FAC for a rifle barrel).

It requires an action wrench to screw the old barrel off and put the new one on, then a set of headspace (go/no-go) gauges.

Shown here on a Tikka T3:



The proof act only requires the rifle/shotgun to pass proof if it is being sold so if it's your own rifle you won't need to send it off for proof until you sell it.

Then again, you probably know all of the above already!
 
I’d suggest there is a fair bit more volume in the US than the UK, so overhead recovery can be spread over more jobs. Plus (a lot) less licensing/ paperwork to deal with.
 
What utter crap you have just spouted.I am involved with a barrel maker and I can tell you it takes at least 2hrs to just cut the rifling in a blank on a £35,000 Pratt & Whitney rifling machine..
But before we even get to that stage it has to be deep hole drilled, just google how much one of those machines cost.
Then it has to be profiled usually on a cnc lathe with a hydraulic support, just google that and see how much they cost.
Then theres the cost of the raw material, its not just a 33" length of mild steel..

Then theres the cost implications of the Gunsmith work, fitting it and sending off to proof..

So before you condemn the plethora of Gun smiths on here as rip off merchants get your F**king facts right.
Well I don't see what the difference is in the amount of work or machining involved if E. Shaw Esq, can make a barrel and fit it for 300.00 dollars why can't you.
 
Barrels on factory guns are largely awfully made if you look at them with under a borescope

Yup some may shoot

Some may shoot well sometimes

Others you struggle to get to group at all consistently

Custom barrels usually start from decent quality steel, deep drilled, honed , rifled, polishes , profiled and heat treated

Most button barrels start around £260 -£300 for decent quality barrels that are reliably made and have good quality steel

Then factor in at least five hours work to strip out the old barrel, prep, measure the action with tools upward of £400 each (my micrometers of which I have four, depth, thread, internal, external ) are all high spec and certified meteorology level )

Set up the barrel in the lathe using 1/10000” dti at each end using pin gauges (£800 per calibre set ) in the 1k Bison 6 jaw chuck

Get the barrel running as close to tru as possible then cut the tenon, check tru again , cut thread for action, check for fit, check tru again, rough out the chamber, cut chamber with reamer , check headspace and adjust.
Polish chamber after checking run out

Flip barrel - prep and set up again to run at zero or as close as possible

Cut muzzle thread, fit thread protector, cut crown and blend in thread protector

Clean and polish crown

Clean barrel

Prep and clean action again

Fit barrel and torque up

Check headspace

Complete submission for proof

Send and await return

All in on a simple re barrel your looking at 5-6 hrs work easily

So factor in your barrel cost and then my labour charge of £280 plus £80 for proof and your looking at roughly £660 to fit a quality barrel that is a plane ride improvement in quality over the factor barrel and fitted by someone who actually cares about how the gun shoots once it’s back with the customer

Given the level of outlay for equipment required and skills needed to fit a barrel properly and risk I’d suggest that 700 is a baseline level of cost

Prefit barrels - if you can find a factory action that consistently measures the same (action to action) then fine go ahead ans buy one

Tikka, Sako, Howa, Remington etc etc rarely if ever measure out the same

I’ve fourteen years worth of details from the actions I’ve rebarrelled and looking back at a few in the last moments show that same model actions don’t measure up the same

I wouldn’t buy a prefit unless it’s for an action that’s been measured and I know the headspace and bolt head / rear of tenon gap is as should be
 
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Well I don't see what the difference is in the amount of work or machining involved if E. Shaw Esq, can make a barrel and fit it for 300.00 dollars why can't you.
Prefit barrels from ER Shaw are $400, not fitted and not proofed.
 
@Uncas with chambered and shouldered pre-fit's coming to market and producing good results in the USA I think it will be a matter of time before someone in the UK can either offer a cheaper rebarreling service or even send one of these barrels to your RFD (saves you having to get a space on the FAC for a rifle barrel).

It requires an action wrench to screw the old barrel off and put the new one on, then a set of headspace (go/no-go) gauges.

Shown here on a Tikka T3:



The proof act only requires the rifle/shotgun to pass proof if it is being sold so if it's your own rifle you won't need to send it off for proof until you sell it.

Then again, you probably know all of the above already!

I often wonder what that lad did for a living other than making youtube shooting videos...explains alot 👍🏻

Although I have zero experience in this field I do suggest he had his barrel vice setup up wrong initially as at 3:20 his vice suddenly changes to a larger gap thus suggesting the barrel wasn't secured adequately and rotated like he said you didn't want it too. A small nit picky point granted but if he works for the company if like to think he'd know that seeing as he's talking the end user through what to do 🤔
 
Barrels on factory guns are largely awfully made if you look at them with under a borescope

Yup some may shoot

Some may shoot well sometimes

Others you struggle to get to group at all consistently

Custom barrels usually start from decent quality steel, deep drilled, honed , rifled, polishes , profiled and heat treated

Most button barrels start around £260 -£300 for decent quality barrels that are reliably made and have good quality steel

Then factor in at least five hours work to strip out the old barrel, prep, measure the action with tools upward of £400 each (my micrometers of which I have four, depth, thread, internal, external ) are all high spec and certified meteorology level )

Set up the barrel in the lathe using 1/10000” dti at each end using pin gauges (£800 per calibre set ) in the 1k Bison 6 jaw chuck

Get the barrel running as close to tru as possible then cut the tenon, check tru again , cut thread for action, check for fit, check tru again, rough out the chamber, cut chamber with reamer , check headspace and adjust.
Polish chamber after checking run out

Flip barrel - prep and set up again to run at zero or as close as possible

Cut muzzle thread, fit thread protector, cut crown and blend in thread protector

Clean and polish crown

Clean barrel

Prep and clean action again

Fit barrel and torque up

Check headspace

Complete submission for proof

Send and await return

All in on a simple re barrel your looking at 5-6 hrs work easily

So factor in your barrel cost and then my labour charge of £280 plus £80 for proof and your looking at roughly £660 to fit a quality barrel that is a plane ride improvement in quality over the factor barrel and fitted by someone who actually cares about how the gun shoots once it’s back with the customer

Given the level of outlay for equipment required and skills needed to fit a barrel properly and risk I’d suggest that 700 is a baseline level of cost
Ronin,
you forgot the cost of the reamers which don't last forever, and of course the guarrantee of your work, and all the paperwork that goes with your RFD..
 
When I had my barrel done the gunsmith told me the cost of the cutting or cooling (can't remember exactly which one) fluid...that alone made my butt pucker up!
 
Possibly the business insurance too and cost of consumables

Factor in a grand for the insurance

20 quid per piece of carbide lathe tooling (I make my own)

I bought four new reamers before Christmas the bill was just under £1700 ,,,,,

The list carries on😂
 
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