Red deer culling in NZ

This spring, an awkward mix of politics, unusual weather, money and harsh practical realities resulted in the decision to cull deer to waste on our old hunting block. Despite their best efforts to appease the neighbours, the new owners couldn't get aerial culling worked out to everyone's satisfaction. Meanwhile, the deer numbers continue to explode, something that's been noted throughout the region, due to the mild winters and high growth springs that follow. So off we went again, to chase deer and see how many we could get.

Culling to waste is a very difficult shift in mindset. Me and my two mates have always been uncomfortable with it, and we made a pact to recover as many deer as we could, or at least as much quality meat as we could recognising that whole animals are nigh on impossible to get out from much of the country, as it’s way too steep. It doesn’t really make sense though. A deer is just a grass stealing, manuka munching, pollen robbing ungulate pest just the same as a goat. Why we are so much more sensitive about them than goats is illogical really.

The initial reconnaissance showed the red deer were skittish and staying mostly up the back blocks on the higher country. The fallow were also nervous but staying low in their customary haunts. It was clear from the get go we’d be relying on mostly longer range shooting to get onto the reds, which isn’t a productive form of culling, for as soon as you’ve put the first shot into the mob, the rest scarper. But we were confident of being able to take out some closer range younger animals, as we were seeing last year’s yearlings wandering around looking a bit lost, having been recently ejected by their mothers ahead of this spring’s fawning.

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I had the first evening to myself as Mate #1 wasn’t arriving until later the next day. I climbed up onto a ridgeline above the cattle flats, to scout for fallow. I wanted some camp meat and reckoned I’d be in with a better chance if I got some altitude and a wide field of view. Good decision – one directly below me at 305yd, another two away to the right at 425yd, lying down. I had the 18” .308 with the Z-600 Zeiss reticle on the 3-15x44, I love this BDC as it makes accurate holds really easy as soon as you know your range. I bowled the recoverable closer fallow and watched him tumble to an easy to reach position, before turning my attention to the other two to the right, who not surprisingly were now standing.

I really dithered over these two shots. I knew I wasn’t going to get to them that evening, with only half an hour of light left. But my mission objectives were clear: shoot deer, to waste if required. Fark it’s a hard thing to do, especially with fallow. But it is what it is, and they each bought a Speer 165gr BTSP, dropping them on the spot.

This Speer is a newish bullet to me, I bought some because I was disgusted with the Sierra price increases we’ve seen down here (since, coincidentally or not, the Tipped GameKing / GameChanger was introduced). These Speers are soft and quite brutal on small deer at close range, but in the 300-500yd class they are fantastic killers. Now they are proven to me, I’ve bought 1,000 of them and I’m sticking. The only other bullet I’ll use in the .308 is the much tougher 180gr RN ProHunter, for close range woods stalking.

I walked down the ridge to the ATV and drove around to collect my little fallow yearling.

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Once Mate #1 had arrived, the selection of rifles was, er, abundant. There was a plan to do some video but I’m not really into that as it takes too much time away from the important business of attaching high velocity lead to animal. It’s really annoying when someone faffs around with cameras only for the deer to browse off the clearing and into cover! Having said that, in hindsight I wish we had done more, maybe next time. It would be good to actually show you fellas more of what we do in “real time” so to speak. We did however get a couple of half decent efforts done and my new camera worked better than I expected.

The second day started well, with Mate #1 flattening a hind at 460yd with his 7mm SAUM. The deer were standing right at the bottom of a long face down to one of the lethal gorges we have here, and not for the first time they ran towards the shooting position, a strange phenomenon that I think it a function of reflected sound from the faces behind them. Mate #1 is shooting the 162gr 7mm A-Max and man how it poleaxes deer when put into the shoulder. Unfortunately, no sooner had he decked it, he realised he had a problem with the next round from the new batch of reloads – they were jamming in the lands. Initial assessment suggested a problem he’d had before – a subtlety different shape to the ogive. I haven’t got any more info on this yet, will be interesting to see if he can prove it.

(One thing that was a recurring theme on this trip was the confusion caused by a mix of MRAD and MOA scopes set up to use metres and yards, and only one rangefinder that will work reliably on wet and misty days. Take it from me, it’s not a good idea. Big ups for the Vortex that worked, and no ups at all for the Leica that quite often wouldn’t.)

So from that point on it was either watch me, or use my 6.5 Creedmoor with the 143gr ELD-X. This was a bit like asking a coal miner to drink a glass of rosé at the end of his shift. I switched to the .308 and we wandered up a ridgeline into the breeze, before long we spied another two hinds browsing off a small clearing on a spur running away from us. We each lined up on an animal and rehearsed the old favourite “1, 2, 3, pop” with a couple of dry fires, then did it for real in almost perfect unison. The deer were at exactly 400yd and both crashed to the ground in a heap.



Mate #1 instantly fell in love with his hipster bearded, strawberry craft beer loving, soy latté sipping Creedmoor and tried to keep it. After some entertaining discussion about Creedmoors and crusty old men and their Mauser 98s, I further demonstrated the Howa’s accuracy by bowling over a hare at 458m.



6.5 Creedmoor. The cartridge of choice for the modern man with the tactical beard.... ;)

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After a challenging walk dodging some ferocious showers, there was a flurry of activity the moment the sun came out. The deer appeared from the sheltering scrub just as magically as Mr Benn’s shopkeeper, though they were on the other side of the valley. The wind was favourable, from behind but sufficiently across not to wind us. Light rain returned but the deer stayed out, so back to business. Two shots were taken with the Creedmoor, the first at 523m.



The second at 497m sent a good stag rolling down the hill with a fountain of claret spewing from his offside. This second Creedmoor shot was filmed, it’s a bit grainy but you can see what happens. In the interest of reflecting on what can (and will) happen from time-to-time with this kind of shooting, you can see the animal take a step just as I pull the trigger. The learning here was that I was waiting too long with my left eye closed and the right eye in the ocular lens, and the sight eye was getting tired. No excuses, I put the shot too far back, an estimated 3-4” further back than the high shoulder I had planned. Hence the rear legs were paralysed but not the front legs. However, this example of a poor shot demonstrates the critical important of using a quality bullet with a good balance of penetration and frangibility. Note the dramatic exit wound and profuse bleeding – a fountain of blood. Coupled with partial paralysis, the deer died very quickly where he lay, just out of shot, in a matter of seconds. We scooted up the track a bit further to see him lying there, weirdly right next to another dead deer, one that had obviously been there a long time.

If I had used a hard, non-fragmenting bullet at this range, I doubt we would have seen the utter destruction of the rear lungs (and possibly the liver).



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The first Creedmoor shot on the hind was one we wanted to recover, but couldn’t get to due to very poor and dangerous track conditions. We managed to get up there a few days later, by which time the animal was about to explode. Annoying, but that’s just the way it goes. But the photo shows the conditions and country reasonably well. Red SP for “shooting position”.

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Something semi-technical to reflect upon. When you’re hunting steep country like this, it’s relatively easy to get an accurate range on an animal as long as there’s little moisture in the air. Contrast this to trying to range an animal in flat country; it’s all too easy to pick up a range on an object that is well before, or well behind, the animal that you want to shoot in flat country. Then, consider the trajectory of the bullet – at 500m+ my 6.5mm ELD-X is travelling at 2060fps but at quite a steep downward angle as it slows and falls. You can see this angle with the strike of the bullet on that stag, very close to or in the spine, but exiting just below the midline of the torso. This angle of impact generally does a lot of damage, often more than a flat shot that's a bit too far back – it’s much more forgiving. As a general rule, on days when wind isn’t a deterrent, we’re 100% comfortable with these kind of shots in steep country. Just remember to keep both eyes open until just before you finalise your shot.

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We stayed up on the hill waiting for deer o’clock, walking over into an adjoining watershed that I was pretty confident we’d not spooked up too much. We switched to walk and stalk mode with the .308, and right on cue we walked into two plump yearlings and a scraggly looking spiker. Mate #1 was rifleman for the evening, and as I called ranges he whacked the deer, three shots in quick succession bang bang bang, at 315yd, and two at 200yd.

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We decided against taking the farthest red spiker as it hadn’t fared particularly well over winter. The two smaller yearlings were also pretty ordinary but worth recovering, and were promptly cut up and packed out back to the ATV. All up, a productive day in which lots of lessons were learned about the conditions and the location of the deer.

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Next day was a washout, hopeless weather. We managed one deer at 300yd in the morning which is in my notes but I can’t even remember it, as I was entirely focussed on not having to get out of the ATV. That evening the weather cleared enough to encourage us to get out and look for goats down by the yards, which we duly found, and knocked over with the .223s, eight in all. I use a 50gr at 3,400fps in my 1:12” twist, Mate #1 uses a 75gr ELD-M in his 1:8” twist. Here’s two typical smelly grass thieves. They weigh around 45kg, certainly not as big as some I’ve shot, fairly average really. That’s almost twice the weight of a typical roe buck. Our large, mature goats are roughly the weight of a fallow doe.

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I really like the 1:8” .223s. There is a very strong argument in my mind to drop the .243 Win altogether for this kind of shooting, the muzzle blast from the ~25gr of powder in the .223 is nothing compared to the ~46gr in the .243. Considering they are both throwing the same weight projectile, that’s a helluva difference, and no animal alive in this country is going to know the difference between the two cartridges’ respective velocity (3,400fps for my 6mm 75gr V-Max, 3,000fps for the 5.56mm 75gr ELD-M). Sitting next to a .223 shooter and spotting is a much less hazardous occupation hearing-wise than with the .243, that’s just a reality. The .223 is such an efficient little cartridge.

The next day was the last chance to get out the 28 Nosler and 195gr Berger VLD Hunting and go for some proper long-range deer. We were pretty sure by now where they were and how we would reach them, but alas the wet and misty conditions meant the expensive Leica rangefinder wouldn’t perform at all, whereas the Vortex worked 50-60% of the time. The mob we wanted to target was at around 875yd – no chance of that in the conditions - but a hind and her yearling popped up in the closer gully at 660yd. That deer was also hit slightly behind the shoulder but only made a few yards sidling on the contour before falling dead into the scrub, which just goes to show that brute force is not a guaranteed bang-flop if you don’t put the bullet in the right place. Just listen to the report of this rifle. Also, I was pretty pleased with the quality of video from the Nikon on 32x zoom, first time I’ve used that camera.



The 28 Nosler is not a rifle for pussies and wimps. It’s a handful in raw form, but one that is tamed remarkably well by the muzzle brake and excellent carbon fibre custom stock made by one of our mates down here. So much so that despite it being a light rifle, I find it quite pleasant to shoot and not as annoying as some of the sharp recoiling non-magnum cartridges such as an ill-fitting .270 for example. The only problem is, you absolutely must remember to use your high quality earplugs. Failure to do so will result in permanent hearing loss. For this reason alone, I am dubious of its relevance in the arsenal, one mistake and you can regret it forever. It’s a stunning rifle, capable of insane accuracy at 1,000yd. Great fun, expensive to run, dangerous to your health. What’s not to like?

As we drove out of the block, a fallow presented itself at 200yd, and I was able to do my best cowboy impersonation, leaping from the still moving ATV whilst chambering a round and shouldering the .308 in one swift, nimble manoeuvre (ha ha) and letting off a shot that I felt was good.

The bloody deer took off up the slope into cover, damn, must have missed! Deer NEVER run uphill when hit, do they? That’s one of the deer stalking laws. Downhill – they’re dead. Uphill – they’re missed and gone. I had already thought up my first excuse, and was about to start making it, when all of a sudden the deer rolled out of the bush, down the hill to the track, very dead. I cannot remember having ever seen a well hit deer take off uphill like that. It was a close to perfect off-hand 200yd shoulder shot and another good animal for the freezer. And handily, right next to the track.

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That evening, the fallow was dinner. Mmmm. The heart was carefully stowed in the drinks holder and served up later with perfectly fried onions, one of my favourite snacks. The main course was backstrap in chinese spices with bok choy.

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In between times, there was some light relief in the form of rabbit shooting. This spring has also seen a marked increase in rabbit numbers, particularly around the yards, which is not good news for cattle or sheep due to the risk of leg breaks. So we climbed into them with the .22LRs, .223s and a very cool semi-custom CZ .22 TCM which is a fantastic wee varmint round.

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The second rabbit from the left on the bonnet was 143m, CCI subs, not too shabby.

We get quite a few blackish rabbits and the odd pitch black one.

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No point posting pictures of the .22 TCM’s rabbit. Way too violent with the 35gr V-Max. My .223 and the 50gr V-Max literally turns them inside out and sprays the innards far and wide. Effective, but messy.

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I spent some time studying the wind one evening, using my anemometer and a red ribbon that I tied to a post about 100m away. I was stoked to drop two hares at 321m in two shots with the .223 and the 50gr V-Max, dialling for estimated windage.

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I recently replaced the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP with the Sightron S-Tac 4-20x50 SFP, as the Vortex was wasted on a varmint rifle. The Sightron has been excellent so far, with better glass than the Gen 1 Vortex and perfect tracking (which the Vortex also has).

Part 2 with Mate #2 to follow.
 
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Mate #1 pushed off, immediately replaced by Mate #2, which was a bit of a shock because I thought I had a full day to myself. The forecast was shite for the second half of the week, so no time to waste.

Now Mate #2 won’t mind me saying he is a ballistics nerd and I tire somewhat of the incessant waffle, so I made it clear he was to drink a hot cup of ShutTheFukUp every morning and not to chatter on the hill too much. There were plenty of deer around and he was way over-excited, so I was being dragged out of bed, off the throne, out of the shower, away from my breakfast… every time there was a deer within 1,000m. We hightailed it straight up the hill on foot, and as always that paid dividends with the older animals not leading the younger animals away from the sound of the bike.

I wanted to get to a spot near where I’d shot the deer we couldn’t recover, as I knew there would be more, and there were. Lots more. Recovery was a non-starter, there’s a deadly little gorge between the shooting position and the faces, the deer seem to know where they are largely protected from hunters on foot. But they haven’t got their heads around 500m shots yet. So out came the Desert Tech with its 19” 6.5 Creedmoor barrel (hand made by Mate #2, in all honesty he’s a freakin’ genius). Shooting the 147gr ELD-M, he proceeded to poleaxe deer one by one until his mag ran out of ammo.

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It wasn’t a great feeling to be honest. Six dead deer, unable to reach them, knowing they’d spoil in a couple of hours…

Still, job of work to be done. We moved off up over the other side, where as usual the deer were oblivious of the carnage in the adjacent watershed. My turn, and I had the 18” Tikka .308 Win. Now this was quite deliberate, because I wanted to show Mate #2 that the Zeiss BDC reticle was a very fast and effective way of target acquisition within known range parameters.

Two deer presented at 325m or thereabouts. Both bought a Speer in very quick succession.

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The bleed on the second deer was staggering, it literally sprayed out like a garden hose. Macabre, but good to know death comes so quickly.

We retired back to the cabin for some lunch, then the weather packed up. That evening we got out for some long range rabbiting and spotlighting on the cattle flats, another worthy exercise considering that the damn rabbits are digging holes right in the middle of the best pasture.

The weather was improved the next day but the wind was stiff. This necessitated a cunning plan, as normally the dominant wind blows from behind the ascending hunter, making your wind a real problem. So we had no choice but to go around the hill, a 4hr trek. When we reached the targeted face, we weren’t disappointed. This location was specifically selected due to the relative ease of recovery, and we really wanted to recover some deer.

I was on spotting duty and ranged the one visible animal, 275m. I knew there would be more in the scrub, out of sight, and that they would present as soon as the first shot hit home. Not wrong… The first deer was sacked on the spot, then out of nowhere there were deer everywhere, reds and fallow.

The Tactacam is pretty cool. Not infallible, great when it works.

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In all, five deer were dropped for six shots (the mag limit) with one clean miss, all were recoverable. Three dropped on the spot, one ran a short way but simply expired on the hoof in a heap. However the last one appeared badly hit and due to having run out of ammo, it took a wee while to clean it up which was a little annoying. The bad hit was confirmed in the gralloch, the hit was too far back, in the liver and nicking the rear lung. Man, the mess, the liver was obliterated and the rumen slightly opened. Not too bad, but not really good enough. Always room for improvement.

However, when all is said and done it was a good result. Five deer to butcher on the hill, and get off the hill, the hard work begins now, all the preceding stuff was the easy bit! Spot the deer:

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We don’t leave much behind.

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After all that effort we were done. It was a long walk back down to the main track, where we picked up the ATV and drove back up the hill, which was butt clenchingly slippery, but needs must. Great to have such an effective buggy. There’s five cut up deer in the back of here.



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Another few hours of clean up, bagging and freezing was followed by some well-earned loin fillets and ale. Can’t go wrong with that.

The final note is magpies… the magpie caller was out in full force and we lost count in the end, but reckoned we were in the mid-forties by the end of the fortnight. It’s glorious to be able to hear the native birds – tuis, bellbirds, silvereyes, black robins. Unfortunately, the magpies will be back before you know it.

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Great write up Dodgy...

Looks like Fantastic terrain, good company and great kit.

Some great marksmanship on display at ranges that I would wince at myself but you chaps made it look too easy. It’s not the sneak up until you can smell it’s lunch experience I am used to in my little pocket of the globe, that’s for sure.
 
Thanks for that. Sounds like you had a great time and a few deer down to keep the farmers happy. You sure do like to take a few rifles out for a spin. Looking forward to the next episode. BTW I like the reference to Mr Ben, we must be of a similar age?
 
52 now @woodmaster.

Getting on a bit. Dodgy knees, hip, shoulder, various bits missing, no hair, too fat, but the brain and other parts still work and the voices in my head tell me I'm 25!

Part two is posted above by the way.
 
Very interesting read, thanks for taking the time to write that up. Always enlightening to see how others stalk/shoot
 
Argh makes me wish I moved to NZ when I had the opportunity! Loved the write up mate, as said shame you can’t collect the carcasses but needs must etc. Nice one :thumb:
 
What a report. Thanks for that

It just goes to show that these guns of ours ARE designed to shoot and kill at long range . Not 100 to 200yds lol lol

Great stuff DK

Kjf
 
Thanks for the kind words fellas.

To be honest we don't really give anything closer than ~400yd much of a second thought unless the wind is howling. When you study the ballistics of the cartridge you're using, you can see when things start to drop off a bit, and that's when you need to really pay attention. There are practical thresholds that you have in the back of your mind, and its pretty simple to be able to range an animal and say yeah / no / maybe. The maybes are the ones that take time to work out, and for the majority they get relegated to "no".

The terrain aids longer range shooting, whilst hampering recovery. If you have tried shooting deer / antelope at 400yds in flattish terrain, you'll know what I mean. A wide field of view and a bit of elevation makes things a lot easier. So do angle compensating rangefinders.

The other thing that is a big plus for me is the calibrated BDC reticle. Whilst I love the precision of dialling, its time consuming and no good for multiple fast shots at different ranges. The Zeiss Z-600 / Z-800 reticles are excellent, you use the app to calculate the required magnification to calibrate your ballistics to the reticle so each hash corresponds to a multiple of 50yd. A quick range to the front and back of the area you're expecting deer means you can quickly see the min / max holds, and reading them off the reticle in the heat of the moment is a cinch. Easier than memorising so many mil or moa per increment of distance.

This has also resulted in me using less magnification that I ordinarily would when dialling a tactical type scope. In turn this results in a wider field of view, and I haven't felt I'm penalised with the lower mag out to 500yd. Much past that and the animals are starting to appear rather small...
 
Thanks for the kind words fellas.

To be honest we don't really give anything closer than ~400yd much of a second thought unless the wind is howling. When you study the ballistics of the cartridge you're using, you can see when things start to drop off a bit, and that's when you need to really pay attention. There are practical thresholds that you have in the back of your mind, and its pretty simple to be able to range an animal and say yeah / no / maybe. The maybes are the ones that take time to work out, and for the majority they get relegated to "no".

The terrain aids longer range shooting, whilst hampering recovery. If you have tried shooting deer / antelope at 400yds in flattish terrain, you'll know what I mean. A wide field of view and a bit of elevation makes things a lot easier. So do angle compensating rangefinders.

The other thing that is a big plus for me is the calibrated BDC reticle. Whilst I love the precision of dialling, its time consuming and no good for multiple fast shots at different ranges. The Zeiss Z-600 / Z-800 reticles are excellent, you use the app to calculate the required magnification to calibrate your ballistics to the reticle so each hash corresponds to a multiple of 50yd. A quick range to the front and back of the area you're expecting deer means you can quickly see the min / max holds, and reading them off the reticle in the heat of the moment is a cinch. Easier than memorising so many mil or moa per increment of distance.

This has also resulted in me using less magnification that I ordinarily would when dialling a tactical type scope. In turn this results in a wider field of view, and I haven't felt I'm penalised with the lower mag out to 500yd. Much past that and the animals are starting to appear rather small...



I know nothing about shooting beyond 300 yds ....... ( not for live game with the 30 cals because i shoot in forestry rides / blocks )but I do know that if if your scope is zeroed for beyond that ( and you know what your doing with that kit).... the round will do its job, no mither , as said the guns we use are designed for long range , if you know your stuff.

I've gotta get to oz or NZ before I pop off lol

I enjoy your posts mate the same as I enjoy JP's posts .a proper bit of info

Proper hunting / shooting

Keep em coming

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DK

Great write up and that looks like great country. Reminds me of my trip to NZ last year.

Just wondering, and not being facetious but would you have felt happy using a 243 for those longer shots and expected the same results?

Cheers!
 
Depends which shots you are talking about @J111. Any of the shorter range shots no problem but anything like the 500m ones, not a chance.

The limitation is twofold (1) the ballistics of the twist limited bullet I use in .243, (2) the speed with which the shorter range shots are taken, that compromises the pinpoint accuracy you need with 6 mm bullets to drop them quickly. That's why generally for walk and stalk when you expect to bump deer that know you're there, I carry the .308. The 243 is only really used when I am in stealthy ambush mode and sneaking up on animals that are unaware.

In fast twist 6mm however, guys down here are proving some excellent performance on longer range light-medium deer and goats with the heavy for calibre high BC bullets available these days. The 6mm Creedmoor in particular.

One of these days the inevitable is going to happen and I will re-barrel one of my .243s in 6mm Creedmoor. The 1:8" .223 takes care of the high BC bullets in the 75gr range with way less muzzle blast, and the 1:7.5" 6mm Creedmoor will send high BC 108gr bullets at 3100fps with frankly eye-watering ballistics. Its called "progress" and I love it... if the .243s become obsolete for me then I'll be grafetul for 40yrs of service, and move on!
 
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