Red Squirrel Pox

B&W FOX

Well-Known Member
THEY’RE GONE!!! ALL GONE!!! 💔💔😭😢🐿️ Further to my post this morning about a pox outbreak at beautiful Rutter Falls, Jim has informed me with great regret that the population of our gorgeous native red squirrels have been wiped out thanks to the non-native invasive grey squirrels 🤬🤬💔💔💔😢😢😢

Jim had been working closely with Gary one of the rangers from the Penrith & District Red Squirrel Group in recent weeks after greys were spotted nearby.

We can only surmise that the reds and greys have crossed paths. And as a result the Squirrel Pox Virus that greys carry and spread (but are immune to themselves) has got into this healthy happy population of red cuties.

And now THEY’VE BEEN WIPED OUT in just a couple of weeks!!!! 💔💔🐿️

Needless to say, everyone involved are devastated.

I’m personally rather bloody angry too!!! 🤬🤬

The other day BBC Earth shared a promo video about grey squirrels on Facebook 🙄🙄

It’s factually incorrect in places too!!!🤬 For example they suggest greys seek and bury acorns and trees grow. WRONG!! Greys pick acorns before the seed is ripened and so trees won’t blinking grow!

👇


Once again, just like Winterwatch recently the BBC Earth feature chooses to IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that grey squirrels are one of the most invasive species on the planet!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that the non-native greys are classed in UK law as vermin.

❌ They fail to inform viewers the terrible harm greys do to habitats, properties, bird life and more!!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that our native red squirrels once common across the UK have been brought to the edge of extinction in just over a century thanks to the greys and the virus they carry and spread!

I wonder if they’ll happily do such promos for rats, North American mink or parakeets too? 🤔

And another reason I’m raging is because only THIS WEEK in my comms with BBC HQ I have to arrange expensive ‘Error and Omissions’ insurance for ‘Cumbrian Red’ 🐿️🎥📺

It’s to protect mine and their bums from factual errors.

Hmmmmm…..funny that given stuff of late eh!! 🙄😢

✅ Facts matter!

✅ Science matters!

✅ Conservation matters!

Being informed, educated and enlightened matters!!!

I’m sorry to rant. But I really am upset and angry. I’m extremely frustrated too 😢

It really pees me off the ignorance out there about such conservation matters. I get mortified when I see online Springwatch style groups on here DELIBERATELY BLOCK users from sharing FACTS about greys and the harm they cause.

I get mortified when I see groups of armchair experts suggest there’s a conspiracy going on about greys and the scientists, conservationists etc are wrong! What the hell?! 🙄🙄😡

Do they suggest the same about other invasive flora and fauna???? You go figure.

Red squirrels are legally protected. Are a national favourite species and iconic.

Why aren’t more folk such as Springwatch, BBC Earth, RSPB, Wildlife Trusts et al doing ANYTHING TO INFORM the wider public???

It’s astonishing.

Anyway….I’m really bloody upset for Jim and most of all the beautiful Rutter Reds 😢💔🐿️

Rest in peace little ones. You’ll be sorely missed by locals and visitors 🌈😭😭💔🐿️
 
THEY’RE GONE!!! ALL GONE!!! 💔💔😭😢🐿️ Further to my post this morning about a pox outbreak at beautiful Rutter Falls, Jim has informed me with great regret that the population of our gorgeous native red squirrels have been wiped out thanks to the non-native invasive grey squirrels 🤬🤬💔💔💔😢😢😢

Jim had been working closely with Gary one of the rangers from the Penrith & District Red Squirrel Group in recent weeks after greys were spotted nearby.

We can only surmise that the reds and greys have crossed paths. And as a result the Squirrel Pox Virus that greys carry and spread (but are immune to themselves) has got into this healthy happy population of red cuties.

And now THEY’VE BEEN WIPED OUT in just a couple of weeks!!!! 💔💔🐿️

Needless to say, everyone involved are devastated.

I’m personally rather bloody angry too!!! 🤬🤬

The other day BBC Earth shared a promo video about grey squirrels on Facebook 🙄🙄

It’s factually incorrect in places too!!!🤬 For example they suggest greys seek and bury acorns and trees grow. WRONG!! Greys pick acorns before the seed is ripened and so trees won’t blinking grow!

👇


Once again, just like Winterwatch recently the BBC Earth feature chooses to IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that grey squirrels are one of the most invasive species on the planet!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that the non-native greys are classed in UK law as vermin.

❌ They fail to inform viewers the terrible harm greys do to habitats, properties, bird life and more!!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that our native red squirrels once common across the UK have been brought to the edge of extinction in just over a century thanks to the greys and the virus they carry and spread!

I wonder if they’ll happily do such promos for rats, North American mink or parakeets too? 🤔

And another reason I’m raging is because only THIS WEEK in my comms with BBC HQ I have to arrange expensive ‘Error and Omissions’ insurance for ‘Cumbrian Red’ 🐿️🎥📺

It’s to protect mine and their bums from factual errors.

Hmmmmm…..funny that given stuff of late eh!! 🙄😢

✅ Facts matter!

✅ Science matters!

✅ Conservation matters!

Being informed, educated and enlightened matters!!!

I’m sorry to rant. But I really am upset and angry. I’m extremely frustrated too 😢

It really pees me off the ignorance out there about such conservation matters. I get mortified when I see online Springwatch style groups on here DELIBERATELY BLOCK users from sharing FACTS about greys and the harm they cause.

I get mortified when I see groups of armchair experts suggest there’s a conspiracy going on about greys and the scientists, conservationists etc are wrong! What the hell?! 🙄🙄😡

Do they suggest the same about other invasive flora and fauna???? You go figure.

Red squirrels are legally protected. Are a national favourite species and iconic.

Why aren’t more folk such as Springwatch, BBC Earth, RSPB, Wildlife Trusts et al doing ANYTHING TO INFORM the wider public???

It’s astonishing.

Anyway….I’m really bloody upset for Jim and most of all the beautiful Rutter Reds 😢💔🐿️

Rest in peace little ones. You’ll be sorely missed by locals and visitors 🌈😭😭💔🐿️

Be grey lives matter before you know it with accusations of animal racism and other fcuckery, all too late and bye bye tufty 🤬
 
THEY’RE GONE!!! ALL GONE!!! 💔💔😭😢🐿️ Further to my post this morning about a pox outbreak at beautiful Rutter Falls, Jim has informed me with great regret that the population of our gorgeous native red squirrels have been wiped out thanks to the non-native invasive grey squirrels 🤬🤬💔💔💔😢😢😢

Jim had been working closely with Gary one of the rangers from the Penrith & District Red Squirrel Group in recent weeks after greys were spotted nearby.

We can only surmise that the reds and greys have crossed paths. And as a result the Squirrel Pox Virus that greys carry and spread (but are immune to themselves) has got into this healthy happy population of red cuties.

And now THEY’VE BEEN WIPED OUT in just a couple of weeks!!!! 💔💔🐿️

Needless to say, everyone involved are devastated.

I’m personally rather bloody angry too!!! 🤬🤬

The other day BBC Earth shared a promo video about grey squirrels on Facebook 🙄🙄

It’s factually incorrect in places too!!!🤬 For example they suggest greys seek and bury acorns and trees grow. WRONG!! Greys pick acorns before the seed is ripened and so trees won’t blinking grow!

👇


Once again, just like Winterwatch recently the BBC Earth feature chooses to IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that grey squirrels are one of the most invasive species on the planet!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that the non-native greys are classed in UK law as vermin.

❌ They fail to inform viewers the terrible harm greys do to habitats, properties, bird life and more!!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that our native red squirrels once common across the UK have been brought to the edge of extinction in just over a century thanks to the greys and the virus they carry and spread!

I wonder if they’ll happily do such promos for rats, North American mink or parakeets too? 🤔

And another reason I’m raging is because only THIS WEEK in my comms with BBC HQ I have to arrange expensive ‘Error and Omissions’ insurance for ‘Cumbrian Red’ 🐿️🎥📺

It’s to protect mine and their bums from factual errors.

Hmmmmm…..funny that given stuff of late eh!! 🙄😢

✅ Facts matter!

✅ Science matters!

✅ Conservation matters!

Being informed, educated and enlightened matters!!!

I’m sorry to rant. But I really am upset and angry. I’m extremely frustrated too 😢

It really pees me off the ignorance out there about such conservation matters. I get mortified when I see online Springwatch style groups on here DELIBERATELY BLOCK users from sharing FACTS about greys and the harm they cause.

I get mortified when I see groups of armchair experts suggest there’s a conspiracy going on about greys and the scientists, conservationists etc are wrong! What the hell?! 🙄🙄😡

Do they suggest the same about other invasive flora and fauna???? You go figure.

Red squirrels are legally protected. Are a national favourite species and iconic.

Why aren’t more folk such as Springwatch, BBC Earth, RSPB, Wildlife Trusts et al doing ANYTHING TO INFORM the wider public???

It’s astonishing.

Anyway….I’m really bloody upset for Jim and most of all the beautiful Rutter Reds 😢💔🐿️

Rest in peace little ones. You’ll be sorely missed by locals and visitors 🌈😭😭💔🐿️
No rant just truth
 
THEY’RE GONE!!! ALL GONE!!! 💔💔😭😢🐿️ Further to my post this morning about a pox outbreak at beautiful Rutter Falls, Jim has informed me with great regret that the population of our gorgeous native red squirrels have been wiped out thanks to the non-native invasive grey squirrels 🤬🤬💔💔💔😢😢😢

Jim had been working closely with Gary one of the rangers from the Penrith & District Red Squirrel Group in recent weeks after greys were spotted nearby.

We can only surmise that the reds and greys have crossed paths. And as a result the Squirrel Pox Virus that greys carry and spread (but are immune to themselves) has got into this healthy happy population of red cuties.

And now THEY’VE BEEN WIPED OUT in just a couple of weeks!!!! 💔💔🐿️

Needless to say, everyone involved are devastated.

I’m personally rather bloody angry too!!! 🤬🤬

The other day BBC Earth shared a promo video about grey squirrels on Facebook 🙄🙄

It’s factually incorrect in places too!!!🤬 For example they suggest greys seek and bury acorns and trees grow. WRONG!! Greys pick acorns before the seed is ripened and so trees won’t blinking grow!

👇


Once again, just like Winterwatch recently the BBC Earth feature chooses to IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that grey squirrels are one of the most invasive species on the planet!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that the non-native greys are classed in UK law as vermin.

❌ They fail to inform viewers the terrible harm greys do to habitats, properties, bird life and more!!

❌ They fail to inform viewers that our native red squirrels once common across the UK have been brought to the edge of extinction in just over a century thanks to the greys and the virus they carry and spread!

I wonder if they’ll happily do such promos for rats, North American mink or parakeets too? 🤔

And another reason I’m raging is because only THIS WEEK in my comms with BBC HQ I have to arrange expensive ‘Error and Omissions’ insurance for ‘Cumbrian Red’ 🐿️🎥📺

It’s to protect mine and their bums from factual errors.

Hmmmmm…..funny that given stuff of late eh!! 🙄😢

✅ Facts matter!

✅ Science matters!

✅ Conservation matters!

Being informed, educated and enlightened matters!!!

I’m sorry to rant. But I really am upset and angry. I’m extremely frustrated too 😢

It really pees me off the ignorance out there about such conservation matters. I get mortified when I see online Springwatch style groups on here DELIBERATELY BLOCK users from sharing FACTS about greys and the harm they cause.

I get mortified when I see groups of armchair experts suggest there’s a conspiracy going on about greys and the scientists, conservationists etc are wrong! What the hell?! 🙄🙄😡

Do they suggest the same about other invasive flora and fauna???? You go figure.

Red squirrels are legally protected. Are a national favourite species and iconic.

Why aren’t more folk such as Springwatch, BBC Earth, RSPB, Wildlife Trusts et al doing ANYTHING TO INFORM the wider public???

It’s astonishing.

Anyway….I’m really bloody upset for Jim and most of all the beautiful Rutter Reds 😢💔🐿️

Rest in peace little ones. You’ll be sorely missed by locals and visitors 🌈😭😭💔🐿️


I keep telling all the wildlife trusts about issues like this - but unfortunately having met some of them their knowledge in some - (most) in my experience is limited and its all about money
 
Suspect most know but don’t want to know as it’s all out there but not something not all want to embrace and a difficult subject for a lot of people who like and feed the grey fellows and never seen a red bar tv etc.🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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I really do feel for the Op. His passion and frustration is most evident.

Sadly, I'm not convinced that addressing the elephant in the room failure to inform viewers of certain factual omissions would make much difference to their indifference.

All such viewers tend to focus on is the cuteness and branch-top gymnastics these grey critters bring to their gardens.

Perhaps a re-energised Red Squirrel survival campaign with gruesome photographic evidence of Squirrel Nutkin's poxy demise might better grab the headlines?

K
 
A great shame,
Red Squirrel conservation groups do sterling work creating a Firewall against the grey invaders. I'm sure more could be done, there are plenty of folks that would like to help control greys, they just need someone to shepherd them and give them access to the land.

One chap on the Airgun Forum UK has cleared up over 4000 in three years on one block of woodland, this is just stalking with a rifle, no trapping either. If this effort was rolled out across the land it must have an effect.
 
Agreed 100% but the 'others' still will see it as 'bad guns killing things'
Yes, agreed.
Some of the squirrel groups are very covert though, and what the eyes don't see the heart won't grieve about.
I'm led to believe that in some of the Firewall areas local councils are even on board, allowing some shooting off feeders in public places at times.
 
Yes, agreed.
Some of the squirrel groups are very covert though, and what the eyes don't see the heart won't grieve about.
I'm led to believe that in some of the Firewall areas local councils are even on board, allowing some shooting off feeders in public places at times.
By us so much of the problem is the councils - with their "wildlife" parks - they are just hubs for vermin
Squirrel - rats in the day - magpies - crows
When i met our MP i told him to go look during breeding season and see there is no ducklings on the water or banks
 
First step place a attractive bounty on the greys tails from the money pit where funds come from to prop up our unwanted boat visitors and the likes and then step back at the public uproar against it, followed by the eventual conclusion total waste of effort because the majority of folks living in this country don’t give a hoot.
Don’t know where RSPB stands on this but people seem to support them and not without funds and massive public support.
Let’s not forget folks red lives matter 😂😂😂. Edit. Seeing as reds diet pretty similar to grey too many of either probably a bad thing 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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Up here in NE Cumbria there is still an odd red squirrel 🐿️ but not seen one since the summer. Plenty of tree rats though . We are in the keilder buffer zone as well !!
 
I would have thought that the predation on bird eggs and young in the nest would have had the RSPB demanding their eradication. But then, as long as people are leaving them money in their will, why rock the boat and worry about birds anyway !
 
Very sad , main reason I kill every one I see as Reds are still clinging on up here.
Was recently told not to shoot greys by a farmer as they don’t have the pox and co-exist with the reds - fear being if the greys are shot, some with pox might move in to replace them. Discuss..
 
Was recently told not to shoot greys by a farmer as they don’t have the pox and co-exist with the reds - fear being if the greys are shot, some with pox might move in to replace them. Discuss..
Possibly not taken his medication or may have mental health issues though could be pulling your leg.🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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