Remembrance...

[BenBhoy]

Remembrance Day should be ‘decolonised’, say campaigners

Peace Pledge Union says events should ‘examine the human cost of colonial conflicts’, not ‘whitewash’ and ‘glorify’ the British Empire

www.telegraph.co.uk

I don't only read The Guardian

 

[Dave_45]

Remembrance Day should be ‘decolonised’, say campaigners

Peace Pledge Union says events should ‘examine the human cost of colonial conflicts’, not ‘whitewash’ and ‘glorify’ the British Empire

www.telegraph.co.uk

I don't only read The Guardian

what is the point you are trying to make here

 

[Husky]

what is the point you are trying to make here

I think that the point he is making is that he lied when he said he wouldn't post on this subject again.

 

[Dave_45]

I think that the point he is making is that he lied when he said he wouldn't post on this subject again.

sounds all to familiar

 

[BenBhoy]

what is the point you are trying to make here

Point being it's a thread about remembrance day. People had asked me why I wear white, but I'm not very eloquent. Felt this article expressed both sides better than what I can. No?

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

@BenBhoy , try reading the last sentence of post #68.

 

[willie_gunn]

Point being it's a thread about remembrance day. People had asked me why I wear white, but I'm not very eloquent. Felt this article expressed both sides better than what I can. No?

I think the article expresses it very well.

Colonel Richard Kemp, the former commander of the British Forces in Afghanistan, accused the PPU of trying to “hijack” Remembrance Sunday.

“Frankly, if they have a genuine interest in commemorating or making a statement about people who died as a result of British colonisation - by all means, do it, but do it on a different day,” he said. “Don’t do it on the day that we commemorate people who died to give us the freedoms that we have today.

“Thousands of people from the British colonies from the First and Second World Wars voluntarily served to fight for the British Empire - they weren’t forced to, they wanted to do it. And those who lost their lives are commemorated alongside British people on Remembrance Sunday.”

“If people want to wear the white poppy that is entirely up to them but one of the problems is that the money donated to do white poppy goes to propagandising their political cause, it doesn’t go to helping wounded servicemen and their dependents as the red poppy does. It is a diversion from some of the benefits of Remembrance Sunday.”

 

[Dave_45]

Point being it's a thread about remembrance day. People had asked me why I wear white, but I'm not very eloquent. Felt this article expressed both sides better than what I can. No?

Aye ok

 

[BenBhoy]

@BenBhoy , try reading the last sentence of post #68.

What a silly billy I am. (Though definitely not a billy, *spits on ground* )

 

[BenBhoy]

I think the article expresses it very well.

Colonel Richard Kemp, the former commander of the British Forces in Afghanistan, accused the PPU of trying to “hijack” Remembrance Sunday.

“Frankly, if they have a genuine interest in commemorating or making a statement about people who died as a result of British colonisation - by all means, do it, but do it on a different day,” he said. “Don’t do it on the day that we commemorate people who died to give us the freedoms that we have today.

“Thousands of people from the British colonies from the First and Second World Wars voluntarily served to fight for the British Empire - they weren’t forced to, they wanted to do it. And those who lost their lives are commemorated alongside British people on Remembrance Sunday.”

“If people want to wear the white poppy that is entirely up to them but one of the problems is that the money donated to do white poppy goes to propagandising their political cause, it doesn’t go to helping wounded servicemen and their dependents as the red poppy does. It is a diversion from some of the benefits of Remembrance Sunday.”

Yep, both sides getting to say their opinion. All good.

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

What a silly billy I am. (Though definitely not a billy, *spits on ground* )

And still posting on this thread when you said you wouldn't.

 

[willie_gunn]

The PPU spokesman is Geoff Tibbs. Here is his CV.

Geoff worked on projects in the arts and voluntary sectors, including a hate crime reporting app for London and a magazine for new creative writing. Alongside working for the PPU, Geoff is a painter and a magician.

Every white poppy you buy helps pay Geoff’s wages.

 

[Dave_45]

What a silly billy I am. (Though definitely not a billy, *spits on ground* )

The PPU spokesman is Geoff Tibbs. Here is his CV.

Geoff worked on projects in the arts and voluntary sectors, including a hate crime reporting app for London and a magazine for new creative writing. Alongside working for the PPU, Geoff is a painter and a magician.

Every white poppy you buy helps pay Geoff’s wages.

white poppies are a con , they don’t do anything towards promoting peace.

 

[Dave_45]

What a silly billy I am. (Though definitely not a billy, *spits on ground* )

Why try to bait people on the eve of a very solemn day for a lot of folk.

I know you hate everything British , I can live with that ,but even the Germans played football with your despised British , for a few hours.

 

[BenBhoy]

with your despised British ,

You've got me wrong there pal. I don't hate ANYONE based on something which is outside of their control. That's a fundamental for me. Not baiting. I said right at start, I do observe remembrance.

Genuinely this time, unless someone directly asks me a question, I'm oot.

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

Genuinely this time, unless someone directly asks me a question, I'm oot.

I don't believe you, you will post more drivel soon.

 

[Dave_45]

You've got me wrong there pal. I don't hate ANYONE based on something which is outside of their control. That's a fundamental for me. Not baiting. I said right at start, I do observe remembrance.

Genuinely this time, unless someone directly asks me a question, I'm oot.

Kind of at odds with *spits on floor*

 

[enfieldspares]

This:

“Thousands of people from the British colonies from the First and Second World Wars voluntarily served to fight for the British Empire - they weren’t forced to, they wanted to do it. And those who lost their lives are commemorated alongside British people on Remembrance Sunday.”

And they'll be doing this in Benin City this year as shown here from 2018. In the centre of King's Square just across from the Local Government Building where I got married in 2012. So I've walked across and seen the memorial. I've even a picture of it somewhere on my PC or a long misplaced memory stick.

Soldiers, and others such as porters, fought in WWI and WWII and in the Biafra War known as "the war to maintain the unity and territorial integrity of Nigeria". My late mother's friend officered Nigerian soldiers in Burma against the Japanese and still today in Benin City there is a "Burma Star Road".

And it is right that both in London and in the land of their birth they are still remembered them.

 

[Apthorpe]

It seems to happen every year, you can never be allowed to observe Remembrance day without other groups immediately.wanting to tell you that they want to use the day in a different way, for a different cause.
Yesterday was Intersex Day of Remembrance. Did anyone tell them they wanted to make their own variation of their symbolism, or to tell them that they wanted to alter what they remembered on the same day? Obviously not, the lack of courtesy of the woke is grating. Particularly.on a day of great importance for others.
Yet, the same day as this thread is posted it is hijacked with other causes.
It's a wholly voluntary observation and nobody has to do it, but it would be nice to have it undisturbed one year.

 

[Rasputin]

Got my poppy on as do both the dogs on there collars today.

Will be watching the service in the village later. Always a poignant day where we should remember the sacrifices paid by the brave men and women of the country to allow us to live in a democratic society and have mundane squabbles about politicians and if it’s bullets or bullet heads. Without their sacrifices we wouldn’t be so fortunate.

Remembering those who have gone before and those currently serving to protect our way of life.