RL 16 in 6.5 creedmoor

Tickerman

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Has anyone got round to trying any RL16 in the creedmoor now it’s starting to come into the country? I found some and I’m going to be working up a load for a new creedmoor with 143 ELD-X ‘s/ 140 ELD-m’s if they do t work, so thought I’d give it a try, but just looking for starting points. Have read somewhere that you can treat it similar to H4350?

Also have RS60&62, Vhit 160 to try also.
Using virgin Lapua srp brass
 
It’s faster than H4350, for lower pressure.

I got in trouble on here telling people what we were doing with RL16. Which on an evidential basis, was unwarranted, and it’s not like we took any notice anyway. Do the normal procedure and you’ll be fine. And you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
 
Apparently its awesome in all the 6mm and 6.5 cals my mate was trying to get me to use but I still cannot get it

I’ve read good things and with the lack of H4350, when I saw it for sale in our local shop, I bought a tub to try. RS powder is not in stock locally so if it does work out, I’ll be back to buy some more.
 
Looking to use this powder for loading 120 grain barnes or similar low weigjt non toxic in the 6.5cm..... any info appreciated....
 
The new Sierra Reloading Manual (Edition VI) has introduced tested loads for IMR-4451 Enduron and Alliant Reloder 16 alongside IMR and Hodgdon 4350 loads in almost every suitable cartridge with a full range of bullets. (There is also a smaller number of Re23 data alongside the 4831s.) This allows a useful comparison on charge weights and performance between members of the quartet.

Having looked across a double figure number of cartridges, Sierra's maximum charge weights for H4350 and Re16 are invariably close. In some cartridges, the Alliant powder shows a marginally larger charge; in others marginally lower - we're talking 0.1 to 0.9gn differences, usally 0.5gn or less for same velocity loadings. In a few cases, Re16 allows the load to be increased to hit the next highest MV in the table, usually for those tables that are in 50 fps rather than 100 fps steps.

For the 6.5mm Creedmoor with 140/142gn (Sierra) bullets here are the four powders' listed loads:

Case: Hornady
Primer: Winchester WLR
Firearm: Universal receiver / 24-inch test barrel

IMR-4350 ................................. Minimum charge listed: 39.2gn (2,500 fps) ................ Maximum: 42.4gn (2,700 fps)
H4350 ................................................................................... Min: 39.2gn ........................................ Maximum: 41.9gn (2,700 fps)
IMR-4451 Enduron ........................................................ Min: 39.9gn ......................................... Maximum 42.9gn (2,700 fps)
Alliant Re16 ...................................................................... Min: 40.2gn (2,600 fps) ............... Maximum 43.5gn* (2,800 fps)

* The Re16 load shown to produce 2,700 fps MV, and therefore equivalent to the other three cartridges' maximum charge values, is 42.0gn

Interestingly, and to me a little surprisingly, the 43.5gn Maximum for Re16 exceeds that of Re17 (42.1gn / 2,800 fps).

Note, Sierra recommends that loads below its minimum values listed are not used.

In other equivalent cartridges, the pattern of the top same-speed loads being close between Re16 and H4350 continues although in a few cases the numbers are reversed with the Alliant grade being somewhere under a grain weight lower. Even within a single cartridge's (eg 6.5 Creedmoor) data-set, this may also apply to different bullet weights. (For Sierra's 130gn bullets, Re16 charge weight is marginally lower than H4350 for the 2,850 fps MV line - but again, Re16 gets a higher absolute maximum charge weight thereby increasing MV to 2,900 fps, 50 fps higher than those of its IMR and Hodgdon alternatives.)

Hornady's (Reloading Manual 10th edition, the most recent one) doesn't have Re16 in its Creedmoor tables as this manual was published a couple of years earlier than Sierra's, It maxima for IMR-4350, IMR-4451, and H4350 are:

IMR-4350 ................ 42.0gn (2,750 fps)
IMR-4451 ................ 41.3gn (2,650 fps)
H4350 ....................... 41.5gn (2,700 fps)

Note each powder's max is for a different MV, but H4350 is as for the Sierra manual at 2,700 fps albeit using a slightly lower charge weight.

6.5 Creedmoor
Hornady case
Federal 210M match primer
Remington 700 Custom 24-inch barrel
140gn ELD-M and 143gn ELD-X among other Hornady bullets.


I should have been range testing Re16 against H4350 this spring and summer, comparing an H4350 base-loading in a 7mm-08 F-Class rifle with the 160gn Sierra TMK against another 12 or 13 potential alternatives in terms of MVs and short-range groups. I got one test session in during late February which gave me the H4350 baseline and results for two possible replacements from Norma (N204 and URP) .... then the damnable Covid-19 appeared and 'my' bench equipped 100 yards range facility has been effectively closed since, maybe only now partially resuming but with all sorts of restrictions on booking and use.
 
Note too on 6.5 Creedmoor / H4350 combinations, the new Viht N555 powder is obviously expressly designed for this cartridge in order to compete better against Hodgdon, IMR, Alliant and RS products. (IME neither N150 nor N160 is ideally suited to the cartridge although some are getting good claimed results with one or the other but never both.

Viht N555 has only just landed and is reaching the shops now.

For those worried about use of 'double-based' N500 series powders, N555 is the 'mildest' one in the series by far and is akin in terms of its 3,700 J/g 'heat of explosion' value to the company's N100 series grades rather than the other N500s with their 3,900-4,000 J/g formulations. (Note too that many single-based powders including H4895, VarGet and H4350 are considerably higher.)

N500 High Energy Rifle Powders | Reloading | Handloading | Gun powder - Vihtavuori

Viht posts updated Creedcmoor loads data with N555 here:

Rifle reloading data | Handloading | Rifle calibers | Centerfire Rifle bullets | Reload your own ammo - Vihtavuori

We won't know how well it actually performs until testing. When I do get back to this, Re16 and N555 will be my priorities on resuming with the 7mm-08.
 
I’ve read good things and with the lack of H4350, when I saw it for sale in our local shop, I bought a tub to try. RS powder is not in stock locally so if it does work out, I’ll be back to buy some more.
I been using RE19 which is brilliant but I been using it on all my CF
 
Thanks for that Laurie. Some interesting and surprising info there. Look forward to reading up on your findings when you get out to carry on testing.

I notice both manuals listing there data using LRP’s, so be interesting to see what I’ll find using SRP.
 
Been using RL16 under 143g ELD-X 1in R8 6.5 Creedmoor throughout last deer season
In my rifle I found 42.7g gave average 2750 fps at 18 deg with 22" barrel with good grouping, typically around 1/2" @ 100m and 2.800" COAL
Plenty good enough for deer control and excellent alternative to my dwindling stock of H4350.
Just to reiterate, this load was worked up in my rifle so don't take it as safe/suitable for yours
 
I notice both manuals listing there data using LRP’s, so be interesting to see what I’ll find using SRP.

SRP brass / SR primers nearly always reduces pressures and MVs in this size case / powder charge compared to an equivalent LRP case. A long-running thread on UKV Forum reports that up to 1.5gn higher charges with RS62 is needed in Lapua to produce the same MVs as LRP brass.

I've no experience myself as I stopped loading the Creedmoor before the Lapua and Peterson SP brass arrived. 1.0-1.5gn is the usual difference in 308 Win in otherwise identical Lapua cases with powders like Viht N140 and 150. I'd suggest using the LRP data and seeing where the maximum takes you if you work up that far. Both Peterson and Lapua brass also have less internal volume than the Hornady used in the manuals - so using either would increase pressures all other things being equal and this will at least partly offset the reduced output primer effect. I'm seeing people run some serious pressures on the ranges with the Lapua version, so as is usual with this company's SP cases, they're proving very strong and unlike Hornady will give long lives if run at full but not excessive pressures.
 
1595532005550.png 1595532032303.pngbeen trying both and now testing with 147 eld m over IMR4451 first batch with CCI200 Primers were too hot and showing pressure and case problems at 41.2 so a pal run it over QL and i am now starting at 39.2 to 39.7 .
R16 showed good results 140 eld m and with Fed 210 m LP but was only a stopgap until i got a few pots of IMR4451 . footnote R22 is worth a look
 
Have a load with RL16 and a Berger 130gr VLD hunting at around 2850fps. that shoots nicely!
 
Monarman - to cover 120gr I've been shooting 120gmx creedmoor 6.5 20" barrel Sako 85 for many years across fallow, roe and munties. My go to load was 38.5gr varget giving 2810fps which I have replaced with RL16 43.5gr giving 2823fts. This load speed for me gives tight groups and perfect drop in my TDS4i scopes for 100m zero and 100m increments out to 500m. 120gr nosler heads give 40fps more for same loads. Hope that helps.
 
Following on from my July 23 post (above) last year I switched over from the 143g ELD-X's to Barnes 120g TTSX's using the same powder (RL16) and rifle at the start of this fallow season.
This load was worked up in my rifle so don't take it as safe/suitable for yours

42.5g Alliant RL16 achieved same tight groups as before
Case Lapua Trimmed 1.912
COAL 2.720
G1 BC 0.412
Velocity 2870 @ 11 degC

Busy cull season, lots of fallow taken, most within 175m, without issues and noticeably less carcass damage so won't be moving back to the ELD-X's
 
Monarman - to cover 120gr I've been shooting 120gmx creedmoor 6.5 20" barrel Sako 85 for many years across fallow, roe and munties. My go to load was 38.5gr varget giving 2810fps which I have replaced with RL16 43.5gr giving 2823fts. This load speed for me gives tight groups and perfect drop in my TDS4i scopes for 100m zero and 100m increments out to 500m. 120gr nosler heads give 40fps more for same loads. Hope that helps.
Are the nosler 120gr e tips ??
 
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