S&B query...

[Dalua]

Does anyone know who would originally have used a 'scope like this one, and what they'd have used it for?

4x36, 26mm tube, Ret looks like No.8
'Elevation Correction' turret is calibrated from 1-6 with increasing intervals. I'd guess 100-600m for some specific round and rifle - most likely 7.62 NATO?
The windage turret is labelled 'Azim. Correction' and 'I click = 2cm at 100m'. However, it lines up with '10' at four clicks and '20' at eight clicks in each direction. Odd.

To me, it all looks a bit late '70s sniperish - which would explain why I can't find anything like it in retail catalogues.

Info welcome!

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

It looks a little bit like the scopes that were issued for the G3 - mostly made by Hensoldt and in 4x24 flavour:



I’ve not seen a S&B with turrets marked in the way yours are but the 4x36s are good scopes! Is it yours...?

 

[Dalua]

It is mine, yes.

Interestingly, the windage turret in your pic is marked as 1 click = 2.5cm at 100m. Mine is very clearly marked 2cm at 100m - but as I said, four clicks line mine up with the number 10, and 8 clicks with number 20.
The 10 and 20 would be true if the clicks were 2.5cm rather than 2cm.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Strange! I guess go by the clicks, although it doesn’t sound very Teutonic to have a typo on the windage turret!

You don’t happen to have any 26mm scope rings for an 11mm dovetail going spare, do you?!

And in answer to your original post - I’d hazard a guess that you’re correct and the numbers are for 7.62x51 147gr at ~2,850fps!

 

[Dalua]

No, no such mounts on hand, I'm afraid.

I'm sure you're right about the elevation clicks being set the the ballistics you describe.
It's rather belatedly occurred to me that I should email S&B about it.
Tomorrow, perhaps....

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Ah no worries, worth asking!

Yeah, probably the easiest way to get a definitive answer!

 

[8x57]

Strange! I guess go by the clicks, although it doesn’t sound very Teutonic to have a typo on the windage turret!

You don’t happen to have any 26mm scope rings for an 11mm dovetail going spare, do you?!

And in answer to your original post - I’d hazard a guess that you’re correct and the numbers are for 7.62x51 147gr at ~2,850fps!

Have you thought about using Sportsmatch 30mm rings with 26mm Delrin reducing inserts. That's the solution I use with one of my older scopes (26mm tube) and its a nice workable solution.

 

[Dawnrazor]

It would be great on a lightweight "mountain rifle" for hill stalking, my mates uncle was a stalker/shepherd all his life, and for tbe 20 or so years of his career he used a .308 stutzen with a Pecar 4x32 or maybe a 5x35 scope, he was on a steep place in Perthshire and shot a good number of deer a year.

 

[Hornet 6]

Very similar to mine, with the exception of the reticule which on mine is mild.
Dated by S&B as being around 2005, British military issue, they would say no more for some reason.

Neil.

 

[8x57]

Some time ago I came across some photographs on the internet of an unusual side mount for a L42 sniper rifle that had been adapted to take a scope similar to this or a Pecar scope of about the same specification. If I remember right it was with the intention of replacing the 32 pattern scope that was then in use with something more modern and the trial took place in the mid seventies or early eighties but was not continued with. It was hinted at in the article that the trials were being conducted by the special forces but the author couldn't confirm that. I wonder if this S&B was one of the trial scopes.

Another thought is that around about the same time some of the anti terrorist units were using the Tikka super sport in .22-250 I wonder if the scope may have come off one of those rifles?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Have you thought about using Sportsmatch 30mm rings with 26mm Delrin reducing inserts. That's the solution I use with one of my older scopes (26mm tube) and its a nice workable solution.

I have but haven’t actually tried it since I got my 26mm scope - d’oh! Will give it a go later, thanks for the memory jog!

 

[jimbo586]

These scopes were possibly use in conjunction with the G 3 by the RUC for border patrols in NI?

 

[Dalua]

Just had a play with the collimator.
For wind, 10-11 clicks = 8" at 100yds - so ~0.7-0.8"/click - which 21-23.5ish mm at 100m (by my reckoning)

The elevation is appoximately like this - inches at 100yds:
1 = 0
2 = 2"
3 = 6"
4 = 12"
5 = 16"
6 = 21"

 

[Klenchblaize]

I'm sorry but the Op must dispose of this fine but aesthetically compromised instrument as an early priority as it's wholly inappropriate for a learned Gentlemen stalker to even consider venturing into the field with such.

K

 

[Dalua]

...as it's wholly inappropriate for a learned Gentlemen stalker to even consider venturing into the field with such.

Although I know with one or two of those, none of them has asked to borrow the rifle to which it's currently attached - so no worries on that front!

I must say in its defence that it doesn't look bad on the AII. Apart from anything else, it and the rifle are at least approximate contemporaries.

 

[Dalua]

I learn from Schmidt und Bender that it is likely that this scope was made in the early '80s for the Finnish Army. They say the turrets resemble a those on a slightly later sniper model which was a 1.5-6x42 - and that's as much as they have to tell me.

The later scope had 2.5cm/100m/click for wind, so 10 at four and 20 at eight clicks would make sense. He can't think of a reason why mine has the same graduations on the turret, but is marked as 2cm/100m/click.

I've not managed to find a pic of anything similar on the net, but it's really the mystery of the wind-turret's graduations I'd like an answer to.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I learn from Schmidt und Bender that it is likely that this scope was made in the early '80s for the Finnish Army. They say the turrets resemble a those on a slightly later sniper model which was a 1.5-6x42 - and that's as much as they have to tell me.

The later scope had 2.5cm/100m/click for wind, so 10 at four and 20 at eight clicks would make sense. He can't think of a reason why mine has the same graduations on the turret, but is marked as 2cm/100m/click.

I've not managed to find a pic of anything similar on the net, but it's really the mystery of the wind-turret's graduations I'd like an answer to.

I fear you're on a slippery slope that can only lead to installing a Sniper-friendly RAIL on your rifle and trawling the SD Classifieds for a wind speed meter!

K

 

[norma 308]

Think my pal has one of these for .308