S1 shotgun

[Scottb123]

Morning all just a quick one just put in for section 1 shotgun for pigeon corvid rabbit and fox control but have heard off a local rfd they trying to pull them back off people he knows of 3 in local area that have been told they need to get rid has anybody had similar experiences west Mercia it would be a shame really as I’ve got a genuine need for one and personally believe a person with a 9 shot in a hide is safer than a person running around doing practical shotgun but that’s just my option but I do appreciative all shooting thoughts

Scott

 

[gixer1]

Neither a hide not someone doing practical shotgun should be any more dangerous than the other if done correctly.

As for “taking them off people” they would need a reason to remove them from people. No new legislation has come into effect yet - any FEO using that as a ruse to remove firearms from people would be breaking the law as it’s misleading and could cost people money, time and employment in some cases.

 

[Liveonce]

I would like to see 9 pigeons that need shooting at from a hide at once, unless it’s just one and you need 9 shots at it

Most shooting from a hide I find after 3 shots the pigeons are no longer in range.

 

[Pete1944]

Morning all just a quick one just put in for section 1 shotgun for pigeon corvid rabbit and fox control but have heard off a local rfd they trying to pull them back off people he knows of 3 in local area that have been told they need to get rid has anybody had similar experiences west Mercia it would be a shame really as I’ve got a genuine need for one and personally believe a person with a 9 shot in a hide is safer than a person running around doing practical shotgun but that’s just my option but I do appreciative all shooting thoughts

Scott

More people shot in a pigeon hide than ever taking part in practical shotgun.

 

[Razzdogg]

If you have a genuine requirement for one you should be fine, you never hear the full story with things like that, it could be they confess they never use it or have lost access the land they used it on, no longer a member of a practical shotgun club etc the list goes on

 

[disco_ike]

I know of someone wanted an S1 for crows on the farm, FEO was inclined to refuse during phone call, applicant said come meet me at farm on x day. Both turn up and the scene made the Hitchcock opening look like nothing, FEO agreed on the spot and approved.

Also once reason established (practical) subsequent quarry conditions can be added. My S1 is granted for practical but also conditioned for clays.

 

[Dickie]

More people shot in a pigeon hide than ever taking part in practical shotgun.

And probably only have 2 shots available.

 

[Liveonce]

just wait awhile they will all be section 1

 

[andyk]

I have heard (and as a result treat this with caution) that West Mercia is taking a very hard line on s1 shotguns and is effectively going to refuse them for pest control.

I can’t verify that so no real idea if it’s true. I have no reason to disbelieve those who’ve told me but they weren’t the people who were refused/not renewed, and it may be the people who were had a ropey good reason and so were vulnerable to this if an FEO actually examined their reasoning.

Part of me also wonders (and it’s speculation) if West Mercia are concerned that if all shotguns go s1, that everyone who currently has a s2 semi goes and fits it with a mag extension and so are laying the groundwork to avoid that. Perhaps they intend to put a 2 shot restriction condition on all the s2 that become s1…

 

[tarponhead]

Morning all just a quick one just put in for section 1 shotgun for pigeon corvid rabbit and fox control but have heard off a local rfd they trying to pull them back off people he knows of 3 in local area that have been told they need to get rid has anybody had similar experiences west Mercia it would be a shame really as I’ve got a genuine need for one and personally believe a person with a 9 shot in a hide is safer than a person running around doing practical shotgun but that’s just my option but I do appreciative all shooting thoughts

Scott

I had a 10 shot Benelli for five years and to be honest never found any use for shots beyond the first three. The quarry had long since scarpered by that time, even though it shot as fast as you could pull the trigger. I don’t get practical shotgun either, but each to their own.

 

[steve19]

When your in a hide have you got a dedicated person watching your every move and stopping you if you like your going to do something wrong?

No idea why west Mercia are taking such a hard stance on it. Most people that i speak to near me that do any sort of land management or pest control has one.

 

[Liveonce]

. Perhaps they intend to put a 2 shot restriction condition on all the s2 that become s1…

So what would current section 1 shotguns become?

Will be doubtful if practical shotgun survives a lead ban, given the loss of lead shot and lead slugs, dread to think what the price of bismuth slugs would be, then the risk of steel shot ricochet’s.

 

[andyk]

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So what would current section 1 shotguns become?

Will be doubtful if practical shotgun survives a lead ban, given the loss of lead shot and lead slugs, dread to think what the price of bismuth slugs would be, then the risk of steel shot ricochet’s.

You won’t be able to have them, which if ‘word on the street’ is correct is the approach West Mercia is taking.

That led me to wonder what they’d do if all s2 become s1, would they refuse all variations for a semi/pump? Or, perhaps, might they place a condition on to say it has to remain a 2 shot?

 

[Liveonce]

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You won’t be able to have them, which if ‘word on the street’ is correct is the approach West Mercia is taking.

That led me to wonder what they’d do if all s2 become s1, would they refuse all variations for a semi/pump? Or, perhaps, might they place a condition on to say it has to remain a 2 shot?

if current s1 shotguns become section 5 then yes they could make it a condition that all section 1 semi and pump shotguns are restricted to three shots, 2+1.

would they have to compensate the owners of current section 1 shotguns like they did us who owned pistols, i wonder? Then it’s just about the only possible way of justifying that public safety would be improved by moving all s2 firearms to s1.

 

[andyk]

As I say, I’m speculating based on 2nd hand info - but which has come to me from 2 different sources (plus this thread).

As a point of curiosity though, I don’t think there’s anything to stop them putting that sort of condition on a s1 gun already. They’re entitled to add whatever conditions they like to a FAC and the options to legally challenge them are extremely limited.

 

[Liveonce]

As I say, I’m speculating based on 2nd hand info - but which has come to me from 2 different sources (plus this thread).

As a point of curiosity though, I don’t think there’s anything to stop them putting that sort of condition on a s1 gun already. They’re entitled to add whatever conditions they like to a FAC and the options to legally challenge them are extremely limited.

I just wonder if the system is sophisticated enough to hold s1 or s1 restricted to 3 shots against the serial number of each gun and or possibly the certificate holder. it potentially could get messy, when transferring guns on.

Hopefully the idea of doing away with section 2 will not happen.

 

[Dan Newcombe]

Surely if you have fulfilled the requirements for an s1 shotgun you would just automatically get an s5 for the same gun unless they were made totally illegal.

 

[Smallholder]

So what would current section 1 shotguns become?

Will be doubtful if practical shotgun survives a lead ban, given the loss of lead shot and lead slugs, dread to think what the price of bismuth slugs would be, then the risk of steel shot ricochet’s.

Will you not be able to use lead slugs on a range that captures lead, in the same way you will still be able to use lead rifle ammunition on certain ranges?

 

[Scottb123]

Looks like it’s got a good conversation going on both sides like I said above I’ve no issue what so ever with practical shotgun sport or users as I appreciate and support all aspects of the shooting world weather it be air rifle shooting gallery etc I think sometimes this is where the shooting world falls off a bit because if it’s not your not your bag your either against it or not botherd in the slightest if it disappears or gets banned just like the pistol shooters before the ban stood together and again I’m not planning on shooting 9 in the air at once but will be handy for various types of bird or pest control how many times have you shot 3 shots and before you can reload more are dropping in it happens a lot I was only asking people options and experiences also I don’t think practical shotgunners are any more dangerous but there are usually more people present more chance of muzzle awareness to be lost and a lot more chance of slipping over obstacles also got find a accidental full auto which can happen



Scott

 

[Rhodesianjess]

Underkeeper local to me lost his 9 shot automatic last year. Using it on beaters day on their estate and forgot one of the beaters was a police officer within a week rescinded by Thames Valley.