Sabbati vs Howa vs Bergara 300 win Mag

[BigMoe]

Hi Folks, I'm in market for 300 win mag but I can't decide which Brand should I go for, I wish I could afford Ruger precision, budget is 1500 so I'm looking
for something reliable and that gonna last forever, just wondering if you folks could share your experience with sabatti and Bergara, gonna use it for long range shooting. I usually buy Japanese stuff with my eyes shut, but these other 2 brands are looking quiet impressive as well.
Thanks

 

[Ronin]

Howa

If limited to those choices

 

[User00040]

Hi Folks, I'm in market for 300 win mag but I can't decide which Brand should I go for, I wish I could afford Ruger precision, budget is 1500 so I'm looking
for something reliable and that gonna last forever, just wondering if you folks could share your experience with sabatti and Bergara, gonna use it for long range shooting. I usually buy Japanese stuff with my eyes shut, but these other 2 brands are looking quiet impressive as well.
Thanks

Either Remington 700 or Tikka T3x.

The Howa is a good action, but lack of easily accessible, quality stocks for their long action models are a problem.

Howa's now come with two stage triggers which people either love or hate ( I'm in the latter camp)

One thing to note, the Howa action design is quite good (M16 type extractor, Rem 700 bolt nose, Sako style trigger and firing pin) but they are very heavy.

If you can handload and tinker, look for a secondhand Remington 700. The long magazine box and choice of aftermarket parts make them ideal for this. They made a 'Long Range'

The Tikka would be a pretty reliable choice but they are hampered by a relatively short factory magazine for magnum rounds, and the stocks are also on the lighter side for such a chambering.

This looks like an ideal range rifle: Remington 700 ADL .300 Win Mag Rifle | Second Hand Guns for Sale | guntrader

 

[BigMoe]

Either Remington 700 or Tikka T3x.

The Howa is a good action, but lack of easily accessible, quality stocks for their long action models are a problem.

Howa's now come with two stage triggers which people either love or hate ( I'm in the latter camp)

One thing to note, the Howa action design is quite good (M16 type extractor, Rem 700 bolt nose, Sako style trigger and firing pin) but they are very heavy.

If you can handload and tinker, look for a secondhand Remington 700. The long magazine box and choice of aftermarket parts make them ideal for this. They made a 'Long Range'

The Tikka would be a pretty reliable choice but they are hampered by a relatively short factory magazine for magnum rounds, and the stocks are also on the lighter side for such a chambering.

This looks like an ideal range rifle: Remington 700 ADL .300 Win Mag Rifle | Second Hand Guns for Sale | guntrader

Thanks for the very detailed and very helpful reply, i was looking for this kinda information.. im planning to keep it forever..so was looking for something that is super reliable and parts are easily available..I think im gonna go Rimington 700 now, that link you send for Rimington.. that rifle looks really good.
Thanks again

 

[Julian S]

I have a bergara 300wm and it is a great rifle, had the rem sendero too and prob a better gun but really not much in it, rem prob easier to resell

 

[Greenknight88]

I'll throw in the ring a weatherby vanguard meateater 300 win mag..
Basically a hower but my vanguard seems like they have a higher finish.. bout 1200.. and there a dam sexy rifle

 

[Precision123]

Aren't Howa and Wetherby the same thing?

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Aren't Howa and Wetherby the same thing?

They are yeah

I'd consider a tikka. They're great value for money and will "last a lifetime" as you mentioned. There's also a lot of aftermarket stuff available for them so you'll never get bored

 

[Greenknight88]

Aren't Howa and Wetherby the same thing?

They are but for some reason the weatherbys feel to me anyway just little bit better finish.
And let's be honest who doesn't love a spiral fluted barrel with tungsten cerakote..

 

[ejg]

T3 will have a 1/11 twist or? Might not be able to run heavier bullets.? For 300wm I'd prefer 1/10. Howa might be better.
edi

 

[ApexOrdnance]

I have the RPR in 300WM and it is a great piece of kit but... if it's for long range I would be considering if the 300PRC would be a better choice. 300WM chambering is relatively short in the throat and neck and you'll struggle to accomodate the long, high bc bullets without some throat work. If you are planning on using it for large game then go with the win mag, if you are planning on getting serious about long range target then go for the PRC. 300WM is a great all rounder and has stood the test of time but the PRC was designed with long range in mind.

 

[Ronin]

You may want to consider 300 WSM

 

[badmolassesaccident]

You probably won’t keep it forever, at least without a rebarrel as you will eventually burn out the barrel if you use it for target.

As has been suggested above, consider the 300 PRC instead of 300WM. You can buy standard ammo which is supersonic at a mile with 300PRC. You cannot with 300WM. Obvs you can hand load 300WM for this, but you will have to work around having a long overall cartridge length, or having a long bullet intrude into the powder.

 

[BigMoe]

I have the RPR in 300WM and it is a great piece of kit but... if it's for long range I would be considering if the 300PRC would be a better choice. 300WM chambering is relatively short in the throat and neck and you'll struggle to accomodate the long, high bc bullets without some throat work. If you are planning on using it for large game then go with the win mag, if you are planning on getting serious about long range target then go for the PRC. 300WM is a great all rounder and has stood the test of time but the PRC was designed with long range in mind.

I've already got win Mag on my ticket now.. and I've noticed both win mag and PRC rifles are for going for similar money. I wish I've asked this question few months back.

 

[ApexOrdnance]

I've already got win Mag on my ticket now.. and I've noticed both win mag and PRC rifles are for going for similar money. I wish I've asked this question few months back.

You won't regret a WM, there are plenty of bullets that work perfectly well out to 1200yds, you just have to work harder as the shooter. The PRC is like the Creedmoor, its the new greatest thing but you'll find plenty of people who'll swear by the WM. Just remember, most F-Class guys are shooting 1000yds with a 308 so you've got more than enough gun to do the job.

 

[badmolassesaccident]

I've already got win Mag on my ticket now.. and I've noticed both win mag and PRC rifles are for going for similar money. I wish I've asked this question few months back.

Does it actually say 300 Win Mag? Or just .300 rifle? If the latter, you can buy whatever .300 you want.

You won't regret a WM, there are plenty of bullets that work perfectly well out to 1200yds, you just have to work harder as the shooter. The PRC is like the Creedmoor, its the new greatest thing but you'll find plenty of people who'll swear by the WM. Just remember, most F-Class guys are shooting 1000yds with a 308 so you've got more than enough gun to do the job.

The benefit of 300 PRC is that you can have a cartridge within spec, where the bullet is still supersonic at a mile. Not really with a 300WM. You will be able to get a 300WM bullet to still be supersonic at a mile, but you will definitely need to handload and you will probably need to load to a longer than spec cartridge length; occasionally this will cause feeding problems from a magazine. Plenty of people do do this and there's nothing wrong with it, I just think if you are buying a new rifle for long range target shooting, you should buy one designed for long range shooting, which is the 300PRC. The 300WM is designed to deliver a lot of energy at shorter ranges or even up to around 1200 metres, but not really to do very long range like 1 mile. 300WM can be made to do a mile, but it isn't what it was designed for.

 

[ApexOrdnance]

The 300WM is designed to deliver a lot of energy at shorter ranges or even up to around 1200 metres, but not really to do very long range like 1 mile. 300WM can be made to do a mile, but it isn't what it was designed for

Tell Chris Kyle that

 

[badmolassesaccident]

^ Although Chris Kyle made that 1920 metre shot with a 338 Lapua Magnum, rather than a Win Mag.....

 

[BigMoe]

^ Although Chris Kyle made that 1920 metre shot with a 338 Lapua Magnum, rather than a Win Mag.....

I read he did use 300 win mag on his tour to Iraq and Afghanistan as well.. I'm going for 300 win mag in Remington 700 Sendero SF 26” heavy contour stainless steel barrel, I think that's more than enough right now.

 

[Insertusernamehere]

I had .300 win mag in my ticket
14months later a 300PRC arrived (during Covid and the PRC wasn’t really known here when I got the original slot ) so I varied and as a target shooter haven’t looked back

It’s a howa 1500 24” (had wanted 26” but took what arrived) and it’s absolutely cracking. I tarted mine up with a MDT ESS chassis and a good friend runs his in the standard Orxy stock which is very good.

I haven’t managed to take it further than 1250 yet but both could hit 1/2MOA steels at that range which is very satisfying, “bang for the buck” I think it’s a great rifle