Sauer 100 Pantera - 300 Win Mag - Near end of life

[wharpy]

Hi folks. I've got a Sauer 100 Pantera. In 300 Win Mag. The grouping is starting to open up, I put a camera down the barrel and its fair to say the barrel is worn. I made some enquiry and have been informed that model cant be re-barreled. I've resigned myself to a new rifle. It just seems very wasteful to surrender for destruction an otherwise functional rifle as scrap.

Any ideas?

 

[Sonicdmb73]

Hi folks. I've got a Sauer 100 Pantera. In 300 Win Mag. The grouping is starting to open up, I put a camera down the barrel and its fair to say the barrel is worn. I made some enquiry and have been informed that model cant be re-barreled. I've resigned myself to a new rifle. It just seems very wasteful to surrender for destruction an otherwise functional rifle as scrap.

Any ideas?

People will tell you you can't re barrel a CZ527 too, but I had one done so I know you can. I suspect if Sauer made an effectively fixed barrel 202/404 type rifle. But kept the six lug bolt etc, then it's not likely practical/cost effective to re barrel. As you would have to bore out the existing to form an internal thread to screw into, while retaining the lugs. This is how the turn old 202 etc barrels into adapters for custom barrels. But in this case you have the action still attached.
My thoughts would be to look at a secondhand 202 magnum or 404 if funds allow and you will be able to replace the barrel in future without scraping the whole rifle. I have three actions and four barrel atm, but I intend to keep two actions with multiple chambering's. I may add a magnum in future. My gunsmith is the one who set me off in this direction. He has 202's himself, if you can build what you want but have these. What does that tell you?

 

[Border]

Pretty sure it can be rebarrelled. From what I have read the barrel is threaded to the action and the 3? Lug bolt locks into the action not the barrel.
Whether it is cost effective or not is another question....
@Ronin
@dasherman

 

[wharpy]

Thanks guys, I was a bit p~ssed when I found out it couldn't and asked the shop to confirm with Sauer.

I'm advised that the barrel isn't directly screwed into the action, I suspect, like you've both eluded, it can be barreled but probably isn't cost effective!

Heho, looks like its for the scrap heap.

Next rifle will be better researched.

Cheers

 

[Namman]

Hi folks. I've got a Sauer 100 Pantera. In 300 Win Mag. The grouping is starting to open up, I put a camera down the barrel and its fair to say the barrel is worn. I made some enquiry and have been informed that model cant be re-barreled. I've resigned myself to a new rifle. It just seems very wasteful to surrender for destruction an otherwise functional rifle as scrap.

Any ideas?

I don't know what you use it for, but have you tried heavy round nose bullets?
I had the same problem with a much loved and used Ruger 77. It started to open up with spitzers so I tried 220gr Hornady RN . Shrank the groups markedly and very effective on game.

 

[Auroch]

The barrel on the Sauer 100 can be removed (I had mine shortened and retreated recently) but it took a fair amount of brute force to get off apparently, which led to a few other issues . Probably not cost effective to rebarrel though, which is a shame because I quite like the double stack magazine and smooth action.

 

[wharpy]

I don't know what you use it for, but have you tried heavy round nose bullets?
I had the same problem with a much loved and used Ruger 77. It started to open up with spitzers so I tried 220gr Hornady RN . Shrank the groups markedly and very effective on game.

Hi matey, I'm putting barnes ttsx through it just now which is holding the group, but everything else is like my boys trying to pee in the toilet bowl!

 

[HonestJohn]

Just scrap it and buy a new rifle mate, don’t waste the time and money, and time without a rifle with the smith etc.

Get that 6.5 creed in a t3 lite on order waiting for the variation to come back.

 

[Border]

went by this or a similar report from the shot show. Maybe I misunderstood.

Sauer & Sohn S100 and S404 Synchro SC, bolt action rifles

Sauer S100 and S404 Synchro*** Bolt-action rifles*** Hunting rifles*** .243 Winchester, .375 H&H Magnum*** News Sauer at SHOT Show 2016

www.all4shooters.com

Now Sauer & Sohn is raising the ante once more by launching the S100 model with pared down technology and features. Initial indications are that the basic model of this unbeatably low-price bolt-action rifle will change hands for as little as €1000, without asking the owner to accept any real compromises in terms of its practical suitability out in the field.

The shape of the receiver’s outer surfaces has been simplified, the barrel is no longer attached by a sophisticated mechanism – it is merely screwed into the case – and the safety and trigger unit have been modified. The safety is now found to the left of the receiver, and no longer perched on the bolt sleeve. It will be interesting to see what kind of reception the brand-new Sauer & Sohn S100 will get in future.

edi
This from @ejg a few years ago.
The more premium Sauer 101 and Mauser M12 shrink fit barrels.
Sauer 100 and Mauser M18 screw fit barrels.....

 

[Border]

Thanks guys, I was a bit p~ssed when I found out it couldn't and asked the shop to confirm with Sauer.

I'm advised that the barrel isn't directly screwed into the action, I suspect, like you've both eluded, it can be barreled but probably isn't cost effective!

Heho, looks like its for the scrap heap.

Next rifle will be better researched.

Cheers

All hope not lost yet.
I think they want to sell you a new rifle....

 

[wharpy]

Just scrap it and buy a new rifle mate, don’t waste the time and money, and time without a rifle with the smith etc.

Get that 6.5 creed in a t3 lite on order waiting for the variation to come back.

6.5 Creed! I've not given up on life yet!

 

[wharpy]

All hope not lost yet.
I think they want to sell you a new rifle....

I'm done with Sauer, I thought I was buying and action for life, quite the opposite. It cant be economically re-barreled. The picantinny scope rail has come of twice, during firing, having sheared the screws, I know this isn't Sauer's problem, but really, in this day and age, all actions should come with either a picatinny machined into the action or a mount fixing that's appropriate to the calibre/use. I ended up having a gunsmith retap the scope mount holes for larger diameter screws, adding an extra one. It's been fine since then.

It still feels wrong having it chopped though!

 

[Tinki]

I wouldn’t write a gun off as easily . Unless we are talking about thousands upon thousands of rounds or craters at the muzzle .

If you are using copper i would give it a proper good scrub down to metal and then if that does not work start thinking of rebarrel/scrap .

I had the same issue with my R8 and 404 . A properly good clean down to clean metal and both were fine .

Hope you find a solution .

 

[Bavarianbrit]

There are some gunsmiths thar can recut the rifling to a larger calibre so is that not another option to go to a bigger bore based on that belted case?

 

[Selous]

I was pretty sure Precision Rifle Services (Callum Ferguson)offered Mannlicher rebarreling at a surcharge so I had a look. It is £100 extra according to their price list.

Price list | Precision Rifle Services

www.precisionrifles.com

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Its an entry level model
Barrels are press fit
Yes they can be rebarrelled but why would you?

Very few aftermarket options for any part of it
Plasticky as hell
Over engineered in places it doesnt need to be (Having made a custom stock for the Sauer 100, dont get me started on the action bolts and bottom metal !!)

For the cost of a rebarrel you could get a much better made factory model

sell the stock and scrap it