Scope mounting systems

[mickthebrick]

I'm thinking of splashing out on a variable mag scope for some long range stuff on my .223. However I'd also like to be able to mount this scope to my 7-08 if I ever go on the hill or fancy a go at some very long range targets.
Two different makes of rifle, CZ and Browning.
Is there a system where I can get rails fitted to the 2 rifles then buy 1 good scope and a set of QD rings allowing me to switch the scope between the 2 rifles?
I imagine a Weaver rail system is what I'd need but I'm not sure If they do rails to suit all makes of rifle.

Just thinking
Mick

p.s. Just found this for the A-bolt http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225

 

[Jager SA]

You should be able to get weaver type bases but you would be better off with milspec picatinny system for both bases and mounts that way the two should marry up better.

 

[mickthebrick]

Thanks Jagare.

Looking at MidwayUK it appears you can get QD Warne Weaver rings in 1/2 or 30mm. Weaver bases for the A Bolt, either 1 piece or 2. Weaver rails with a CZ 16mm dovetail adapter on can be bought aswell....not sure where from yet though, none of these seem too expensive either, the Warne rings are the dearest at about £60.

Does anyone out there bother swapping scopes between rifles? Obviously it works out cheaper than 2 scopes but is it worth the bother?

Cheers
Mick

 

[jcampbellsmith]

You should be able to get weaver type bases but you would be better off with milspec picatinny system for both bases and mounts that way the two should marry up better.

Agree 100%. I recommend Burris Signature Rings on top of 'weaver type bases'.
http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings.html
Also, the flexibility of these style of bases is another good reason for picking on a Remington style action for your rifle.

 

[Mat]

You should be able to get weaver type bases but you would be better off with milspec picatinny system for both bases and mounts that way the two should marry up better.

+1 Picatinny spec is meant to be fully interchangeable: the slots are nominally 5mm wide with 10mm spacing. I've moved scopes from 3 different rifles with picatinny rails without having touched the rings. The thing with the scopes though is that either you need to keep track of the clicks between rifles or have big target turrets and record the settings.

 

[Jager SA]

Thanks Jagare.

Looking at MidwayUK it appears you can get QD Warne Weaver rings in 1/2 or 30mm. Weaver bases for the A Bolt, either 1 piece or 2. Weaver rails with a CZ 16mm dovetail adapter on can be bought aswell....not sure where from yet though, none of these seem too expensive either, the Warne rings are the dearest at about £60.

Does anyone out there bother swapping scopes between rifles? Obviously it works out cheaper than 2 scopes but is it worth the bother?

Cheers
Mick

Horses for courses changing scopes between rifles but I wouldnt use Warner rings, ive seen some pretty horrible set ups using them, they are not concentric and need lapping or the scope could get crimped!

 

[Brithunter]

Ok there are of course other options such as the Leupold Q/R mounts and rings they also do the QRW (Quick Release Weeaver type as wel. Then of course there is Apel and their various mounts . The Roll Offs DO return to zero as do the EAWswing mounts.

Basically you pays your money and takes your choice.

I don't happen to like those vertically spilt rings. Savage used to give away free rings of that type with their rifles at oen time. I picked up a set for free and they were horrible to set a scope up in. Nikko Sterling also supply these types with their new scopes. Basically it's because their cheap and easy to make out fo extrusions.

 

[jcampbellsmith]

Warne (or similar) rings which split vertically are a real pain and need to be avoided. They are very difficult to machine or shim to better align the scope. They are high up my list of expensive mistakes and not really understanding how the technology worked.

 

[mickthebrick]

I always thought Warne rings were considered to be ok! Are the Leupold QRW ones any better? They are a similar price but a different design.

Cheers
Mick

 

[Jager SA]

I always thought Warne rings were considered to be ok! Are the Leupold QRW ones any better? They are a similar price but a different design.

Cheers
Mick

Leup are not much better but Ok.

Think of it like this, you spend the best part of a £1000 on a scope, well some folk do, then they (Dont mean you) go and buy inferior but not necessarily cheap mounts and bases, which are made of monkey metal could bugger the scope in a heartbeat!

Buy it once...cry once!

 

[dieseldan]

I have warne rings on my 308. I did not choose them they were put on by a "gunsmith" when I bought it. Have to say I have abused ot for 5 years and never had an issue. They are heavy with recoil lug built in. Much better than the Leupold guff on my remington or the Ruger mounts I took off my M77.

Just my opinion mind as I really only have what I got on rifles and have had in my hand. Warne are better than OEM for me and I would put them on the Remmy in a heartbeat to get rid of those fecking windage screws.

 

[jcampbellsmith]

I have warne rings on my 308. I did not choose them they were put on by a "gunsmith" when I bought it. Have to say I have abused ot for 5 years and never had an issue. They are heavy with recoil lug built in. Much better than the Leupold guff on my remington or the Ruger mounts I took off my M77.

Just my opinion mind as I really only have what I got on rifles and have had in my hand. Warne are better than OEM for me and I would put them on the Remmy in a heartbeat to get rid of those fecking windage screws.

I am putting Weaver bases on the Remington I am just about to acquire.

https://www.sinclairintl.com/product/11340/s

and Burris Signature Rings on top. https://www.sinclairintl.com/product/11340/s

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Swapping scopes

I would use here the logical approach.
I know of lots of shooters with one base system say the EAW or Suhler claw mounts and they use both a night scope or a driven scope both shot in on the one rifle, both using the same bases on the rifle. That works.
What you suggest is a scope is shot in on rifle A to point of aim then swapping it to a totally different rifle = use the crosshairs to same point of aim and I am 100% sure you will be hitting somewhere on your neighbors target.
Dont be so cheap good equipment must cost otherwise you end up like the yanks and buying **** that is OK because they only use it for one whitetail per year.
Otherwise you will always be unsatisfied with the results.
JMHO Martin

 

[mickthebrick]

I didn't mention altering the elevation and windage settings on the scope because I assumed that would go without saying but as they say common sense is not so common!

If these £1000 + Swaro/Schmidt scopes are as good as they claim to be and the mounting systems also as good with their "100% return to zero", then for the sake of turning a couple of dials why spend £2000 when you can spend £1000. If you've nothing more important to spend your money on then all power to you.

I bet the millions of Prairie Dogs shot each year dont complain about the cheap s£$t equipment that they're being shot at long range with!

Mick

 

[Max]

I have Leupold Q/R rings and bases on 4 rifles and have never had a problem with them, they work well.

I also have Talley rings and bases on a Nesika action which are excellent.

I have just had two sets of 30mm rings sent direct from Talley and cost to the door £132.15 to do the same job as you.

If you go the Tally route you will need to call them to order (they dont do net or email even though they have a web site) but ask them to put a low price on the custom form and you wont get any import or V.A.T charges this end.

ATB

Max

 

[Ronin]

If you want one scope on two rifles you must find a ringset / base system that is interchangable.

Apel comes to mind - expensive but ok

or

Use one piece base on each rifle using the picatinny (weaver) rail/


These are available from Ken Farrell in the US for numerous rifles - he also makes ringsets in various sizes and heights.


The advantage of one piece rail is that the scope will NOT be put under stress if the base holes are misaligned at the factory - yes it does happen.

Diasadvantage of using one scope - you will find that each rifle will not shoot to same point of aim / impact, so you will have to remember the compentation ajustment for one rifle when the scope is on the "other".


Simpler, albeit more expensive to get another scope IMHO.