Scotland - Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

[MAH]

I'm a Brit, living south of the wall with my Scottish partner. We both love Scotland, we've have invested heavily in Scotland and therefore have an interest in Scottish politics.

This article prompted me to ask a question.
(BBC News - Scotland could rejoin EU 'smoothly' - independence paper
Scotland could rejoin EU 'smoothly' - independence paper ).

How is Scotland becoming independent, by leaving an association with a group of 3 (GB), to immediately join an association with a group of 27 (The EU) ?

It seems to me that:
1. On one level, the SNPs single minded focus on independence is distracting government from multiple crises at home, (e.g. health crisis, housing crisis, ferry crisis.... etc).
However, that obsession is also keeping them in power, because they have managed to create a culture in which, not voting SNP is akin to treason, betraying Scotland, giving up on dream of independence.

2. In reality, the good people of Scotland have far more influence over the politics of Westminster now, than they will ever have over the politics in Brussels if they join the EU in the future.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire. I can't see the logic.

Please use the voting button.

M

 

[bowji john]

Less independent

But they would be run by a big socialist state which might be more to their liking

 

[finnbear270]

Deffo less independant.

 

[Dave31]

I'm sure the Spanish would have something to say about it. I can't imagine they would want to set the precedent with the troubles they have with the Basque region.

 

[Nimrod1960]

A small country on the fringe of the Franco German Empire.

The third raters who choose petty politics as a trade would love to have their snouts in a bigger trough.
Freebies, expenses and pensions beyond their dreams and no power what so ever.

 

[Dunwaters]

It will certainly cause a bit of an upset should it happen.
You really do need to have another shot at that referendum thingy.

 

[finnbear270]

It will certainly cause a bit of an upset should it happen.
You really do need to have another shot at that referendum thingy.

Until they get the answer that they, the (SNP) want.

 

[Fiadh]

I wouldn't worry about it, the SNP's popular vote has been waning on a daily basis, they've as much chance of gaining independence as I have of winning the lottery. They will undoubtedly lose a lot of their seats to Labour at the next UK General Election, which will spell the end of the reign for 'Yousless', the only slight worry is that he may be replaced by Kate Forbes in time for the Scottish elections, who is centre of left and far more appealing to the 'middle road' voters.

 

[Husky]

It will certainly cause a bit of an upset should it happen.
You really do need to have another shot at that referendum thingy.

We had a referendum, the SNP lost, they need to get over it.

 

[opticron1]

This also raises the one thing the Scottish Nasty Party doesn't want to discuss.....
They automatically assume that anyone who votes for independence will be voting to re-join the EU, which is utter cobblers. The SNP/Green slime know it, but ignore it.
If they were serious about getting a true referendum answer there would be three questions.
1) Independence then back to being governed by Europe
2) Independence with no ties either to either the EU or the rest of the UK
3) Remain part of the UK

Funnily enough, I do believe that 55% of us voted to remain part of the UK last time in the "once in a generation" referendum......and the majority have been ignored comprehensively since then by the inept and increasingly corrupt SNP/Green coalition since then!
Still, no-one up here is surprised by the continued prattling on about independence as it diverts the attention away from the day to day sh*t show at Holyrood!

 

[Foxyboy43]

“How is Scotland becoming independent, by leaving an association with a group of 3 (GB)”.
Not wishing to appear pedantic but I think you would find that in this highly unlikely event and despite the efforts of someone now working for GBNews (whatever that is) there would still be an association with a group of 3 as the UK (rather than GB) currently at least comprises 4!
Just saying….

 

[DaveDMax]

There is another way of thinking that by not voting for the SNP/Greens & actually voting for another party is potentially viewed as siding with the ‘English side’.

Inner city dwellers seem to be blinded by some sort of anti establishment thinking.

You only have to look at the mess of the cities to see how well they (SNP/Greens) look after the councils etc which perpetuates even greater problems.

You know, like having to deal with really high data bills on secure devices!

 

[MAH]

group of 3 as the UK (rather than GB) currently at least comprises 4!

Terminology is both important and confusing.
Forgive me if I got it wrong I am not a constitutional expert.
However, my understanding is:
GB is England, Scotland, Wales. = 3
UK is GB plus NI, and the several small islands = a total of more than 4.

I thought the Act of Union created GB.
So there would be layers of legislation to untangle, at GB level and UK.

Interesting stuff, but not the main thrust of the OP. But very happy to learn more about it.
M

 

[Foxyboy43]

Terminology is both important and confusing.
Forgive me if I got it wrong I am not a constitutional expert.
However, my understanding is:
GB is England, Scotland, Wales. = 3
UK is GB plus NI, and the several small islands = a total of more than 4.

I thought the Act of Union created GB.
So there would be layers of legislation to untangle, at GB level and UK.

Interesting stuff, but not the main thrust of the OP. But very happy to learn more about it.
M
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Aye, a source of much confusion even with the sainted lady FB who comes from London!
Here you go - read and marvel…
”The United Kingdom has evolved from a series of annexations, unions and separations of constituent countries over several hundred years. The Treaty of Union between the Kingdom of England (which included Wales) and the Kingdom of Scotlandin 1707 resulted in their unification to become the Kingdom of Great Britain. Its union in 1801 with the Kingdom of Irelandcreated the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Most of Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922, leaving the present United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which formally adopted its name in 1927.[m] The nearby Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey are not part of the UK, being Crown Dependencies, but the British government is responsible for their defence and international representation.[18]”
Glad that’s sorted, for now at least…….