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enfieldspares
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What is your budget for this? How will the revolver, in six shot form, will initially be acquired? And from where?
enfieldspares
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As a ballpark figure I would think that you'll be looking around £ 400 plus VAT if you deliver to and collect from the RFD. If the RFD has to collect and deliver from and to you then around £ 600 plus VAT.
It may be cheaper for you to consider p/ex against an already converted revolver.
The problem is not the work, as such, but that it will have to be submitted to proof. On demand, as a one off "walk in" is going to be around £ 60 plus VAT Proof House fees. Plus the cost of the RFD (plus an accompanying person if his/her s5 is so conditioned to require one). So that is likely to be £ 200 plus VAT charge for that.
So effectively that's £ 260 plus VAT gone already. Hence the estimate that the total cost will be around that £ 400 plus VAT figure. Proof on demand is usually drop off in the morning pick up after the one and a half hour lunch break that the Proof House enjoy! So for the RFD it is a day wasted.
If the revolver has to be left at the Proof House and then collected back that "transport" cost effectively doubles....two journeys. Sometimes they will say they are too busy to do a "walk in" on demand proof.
I am sorry that this is pessimistic but from initimate knowledge of proof charges and their scandalous "minimum fee" and "plus 50% 'walk in' on demand fee" and the costs of RFD s5 transport that is a rough ballpark.
With a pistol it's just a question of (permanently) modifying its magazine in a permanent manner. And that any good old fashioned garage can do while you wait for a good drink.
On a revolver the problem is that your FAC conditions may restrict you from taking it to that good old fashioned garage and standing over the mechanic's shoulder as the work is done while you wait. The task itself isn't too difficult as a DIY task for anyone with access to a lathe and brazing or welding gear.
And subsequently, again if your FAC conditions allow taking it to the Proof House by yourself. But see below re s58 (1) of the Firearms Act that states as quoted below. So that may render any discussion of need for a condition on your FAC as redundant as s58 (1) affects that.
For lunch "The Bond" just around the corner is good, has Wi-Fi and if you are lunching has on site car parking.
In theory, in law, in the Firearms Act it does say "nothing in this Act shall apply to the Proof Houses"....but I'd ask you issuing authority for their opinion on what you can do by yourself. Some argue that this extends to being able to just post via Royal Mail revolvers and pistols to the Proof House!
This is s58(1) of the Firearms Act:
It may be cheaper for you to consider p/ex against an already converted revolver.
The problem is not the work, as such, but that it will have to be submitted to proof. On demand, as a one off "walk in" is going to be around £ 60 plus VAT Proof House fees. Plus the cost of the RFD (plus an accompanying person if his/her s5 is so conditioned to require one). So that is likely to be £ 200 plus VAT charge for that.
So effectively that's £ 260 plus VAT gone already. Hence the estimate that the total cost will be around that £ 400 plus VAT figure. Proof on demand is usually drop off in the morning pick up after the one and a half hour lunch break that the Proof House enjoy! So for the RFD it is a day wasted.
If the revolver has to be left at the Proof House and then collected back that "transport" cost effectively doubles....two journeys. Sometimes they will say they are too busy to do a "walk in" on demand proof.
I am sorry that this is pessimistic but from initimate knowledge of proof charges and their scandalous "minimum fee" and "plus 50% 'walk in' on demand fee" and the costs of RFD s5 transport that is a rough ballpark.
With a pistol it's just a question of (permanently) modifying its magazine in a permanent manner. And that any good old fashioned garage can do while you wait for a good drink.
On a revolver the problem is that your FAC conditions may restrict you from taking it to that good old fashioned garage and standing over the mechanic's shoulder as the work is done while you wait. The task itself isn't too difficult as a DIY task for anyone with access to a lathe and brazing or welding gear.
And subsequently, again if your FAC conditions allow taking it to the Proof House by yourself. But see below re s58 (1) of the Firearms Act that states as quoted below. So that may render any discussion of need for a condition on your FAC as redundant as s58 (1) affects that.
For lunch "The Bond" just around the corner is good, has Wi-Fi and if you are lunching has on site car parking.
In theory, in law, in the Firearms Act it does say "nothing in this Act shall apply to the Proof Houses"....but I'd ask you issuing authority for their opinion on what you can do by yourself. Some argue that this extends to being able to just post via Royal Mail revolvers and pistols to the Proof House!
This is s58(1) of the Firearms Act:
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Uncle Norm
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Terry Abrams of Dunmow in Essex would be worth an enquiry. He is S5 and does a lot of deactivation work in particular.
Terry is more than capable of doing the work in your revolver and was making a trip to the Birmingham proof house most weeks.
I was talking to him at the CLA Gamefair this year. Location is just a little out of your way but you may be able to arrange something with Terry to meet on his journey.
Terry is more than capable of doing the work in your revolver and was making a trip to the Birmingham proof house most weeks.
I was talking to him at the CLA Gamefair this year. Location is just a little out of your way but you may be able to arrange something with Terry to meet on his journey.
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Bavarianbrit
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Why not get a single shot .357 / .. Contender pistol instead?
The governments got mine.
Martin
The governments got mine.
Martin
jamross65
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Are you serious? Where are those prices coming from? Chris C does the whole job for £40. The rods are glued in to the chambers and there is NO need to have it proofed.
As an ex pistol shooter i am curious about under what authority you possess a 6 shot 357 revolver??
Ian.
Sorry if i sounded a little blunt J4se0 but it can only be classed as a dispatch pistol when restricted to 2 shots, as a 6 shot revolver it is a Section 5 prohibited firearm hence the question under what authority do you possess a Section 5 prohibited firearm?
Ian.
chrisc
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total rubbish it all depends on your county police
pheasant sniper 1
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When you say you own it I take it your either a section 5 yourself and you wish to sell it on restricted or you own it but it's still in the hands of a section 5 ?
I bought a Walther P22 with mags reduced to two shot and a new mod face to face at Bisley from Steve Butler whose up your way if I remember correctly. He was a great guy to deal with so highly recommend.
Good luck
jamross65
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Absolutely right Chris. You can apply for an unrestricted revolver if you wish, doesn't mean the issuing authority (your local police force) will authorise it, but its the same principle as applying for a handgun in the first place. Good reason. An unrestricted revolver could have been issued and conditions subsequently change, hence the reason now for converting it to a restricted weapon. There are force areas who do or have issued authorisation for unrestricted revolvers.
bewsher500
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I would question the legality of any force asking you to weld a cylinder on a revolver
no way in hell the manufacturer would honour a warranty or discuss any aspects of failure should it subsequently be affected by the welding.
no way in hell the manufacturer would honour a warranty or discuss any aspects of failure should it subsequently be affected by the welding.
Show me in law where it says it has to be restricted to two shots.What about semi auto pistols where the pistol is not restricted only the magazines
pheasant sniper 1
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With good reason and club membership unrestricted handguns usually long barrelled revolvers are available to everyone.
My semi auto has the mags restricted
My semi auto has the mags restricted
Having researched this further i agree that my post #10 was incorrect, however issuing unrestricted revolvers for humane despatch is very rare and usually only to vets, deer management professionals and other trades where multi shot handgund would be an advantage
I can only assume that the OP partakes in these professions so legally holds this pistol as stated or the pistol in question is actually held by a Section 5 RFD.
Clarification from the OP would help.
Ian.
If you dont mind pheasant sniper a slight correction
I dont class pistols with a minimum barrel length of 12" and an permenantly attached wrist brace to bring the overall length to over 24" as "unrestricted handguns" what i had the pleasure of owning and using before the 1997 ban were unrestricted firearms.
I dont class pistols with a minimum barrel length of 12" and an permenantly attached wrist brace to bring the overall length to over 24" as "unrestricted handguns" what i had the pleasure of owning and using before the 1997 ban were unrestricted firearms.
Where does it say it has to be 2 shots max ( iassume its part of the Fire arms act amendment but never found it )
thought that was a Police condition
and oen overturned by a court for a game keeper who argued it
and a 2 shot Semi auto unless you weld the Mag in its not enforceable yo certainly cant have a S2 removable Mag fed shotgun caue its mag only holds 2 Carts
If i got a 2 rnd mag Glock 17 I already own a 17rnd mag which is not a licensable part ??? ( I use it to make Mag holders out of Kydex )
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