Selling venison

[Monkey Spanker]

Not going to be the most popular answer but if it's your local I'd give them the venison and have free meals and a nice clean slate behind the bar Seems fair to me especially as even pub grub can cost you £30 a head these days .. I'd go for that rather than say £30-40 for a processed muntjac and your mrs gets a night out
norma

Now there's an experienced answer!
Carcass disposal, free beer and top level 'Brownie Points' with the missus that will require more stalking trips to maintain!
Win - Win!!
MS

 

[norma 308]

Now there's an experienced answer!
Carcass disposal, free beer and top level 'Brownie Points' with the missus that will require more stalking trips to maintain!
Win - Win!!
MS

It does rather cover a few bases mike and we all need a few brownie points plus once you've removed the jacket on a couple of the little beggars you need a pint

Cheers doug

 

[berg]

Let just step back a minute ,are we saying that a stalker can just drop of a in fur deer to a kitchen ,how do you suppose they are going to skin this deer not in the kitchen were they cook the food as that would not be allowed as stick measure's are put in place to prevent cross contamination from raw to cooked and foreign bodies eg hair , if they did have someware where they could skin a deer then that would have to be included in there haccp ,unless they do it out the back from a tree whilst smoking a fag .so the only way they should take it in is skinned and that would have to be done by a registered food business .so some common sense is needed

 

[stratts]

Let just step back a minute ,are we saying that a stalker can just drop of a in fur deer to a kitchen ,how do you suppose they are going to skin this deer not in the kitchen were they cook the food as that would not be allowed as stick measure's are put in place to prevent cross contamination from raw to cooked and foreign bodies eg hair , if they did have someware where they could skin a deer then that would have to be included in there haccp ,unless they do it out the back from a tree whilst smoking a fag .so the only way they should take it in is skinned and that would have to be done by a registered food business .so some common sense is needed

As I understand it that's how warped the system is mate because once it's handed over they could do exactly that!! As a stalker having gained DSC1 you have done your bit observing the animal, shooting well, gralloched, done the correct checks, recorded & labelled up, kept at the correct temp until handing over to the pub then away they go doing the rest. All the time not having to be registered with anybody else unless it goes to an AGHE. Mad aint it!!

Stratts

 

[berg]

I agree but they are registered with there local EHO and every thing that is done in a kitchen is logged in there haccp ,and there is no way that permission would be given to skin a deer in a restaurants kitchen so they would be breaking the law ,so you might be able to sell a in fur carcass to them but I dout that they would be allowed to except it in fur .of course they might have a separate leader witch has been approved to do the skinning but I would say that its a lot of out lay for three or four deer that might come there way much easier to buy from a butcher or wholesale company

 

[sooty1]

The laws an arse, whats the point in paying good money for meat handling coarse when its not really policed anyway.

 

[sauer]

I suppose if certs on the wall where customers can see it , along with clean well presented shop front and staff it gives impression that you take hygiene seriously , making them comfortable bout buying from you and get repeat business

Paul

 

[Wylyekeeper]

You still need to conform to The Food Safety Act 1900 and regulation 178/2002 even if you are selling small qty's direct. You don't need a game meat hygiene certificate for that which is madness really.

 

[Jimmy.jim86]

Well I think instead of doing my DSC straight away. I'll do my game meat handling as my boss will pay for that and he will put me through my level 2 health and hygiene. Save up for my DSC at a later date. As really the hit from the DSC which is the useful qualification is the meat handling

 

[norma 308]

Well I think instead of doing my DSC straight away. I'll do my game meat handling as my boss will pay for that and he will put me through my level 2 health and hygiene. Save up for my DSC at a later date. As really the hit from the DSC which is the useful qualification is the meat handling

Jimmy jim why not Just sit the test for dsc 1 --£140 and only a day at donnington deer services just down the M1 this is the simulated stalk the written test and the shooting test,4 of us did it on a nice August day and have to admit found it quite enjoyable and a bonus we all passed .that way you kill two birds
norma

 

[Rotton123]

See the Wild Game Guide 2015

I applied on line as a cottage industry and got regestered to sell prepaired meet direct to end user

You need DSC1, cull records, chiller records a chiller and a meat prep area with hand wash facilities(my one is my kitchen) meat board and suitable equippment

I was able to down load everything i needed on line

Your knife steralizing macheen (dishwasher) must operate above 82c and you need Detox serface cleener as a steralizing agent (domsetic product but aproved for use in this instance)

PM me an email address and Ill send over the PDFs i have.

ATB

Chasey

Hiya chasey,

I would love them pdfs please mate rmadd30@googlemail.com

 

[Andyquadra]

Hiya chasey,

I would love them pdfs please mate rmadd30@googlemail.com

Hi got banned on 2020 if I remember correctly

 

[Rotton123]

Hi got banned on 2020 if I remember correctly

Ah just trying to get to the bottom of what I need to do legally to sell some venison to local farm shop, paper work isn’t my strong point. Thanks for the reply

 

[Sunrise Stalker]

It's really not that difficult! Read page 9 here:
https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/multimedia/pdfs/guidance/wild-game-guide.pdf
You DO have to be a registered food business to sell deer to a game dealer (AGHE).
you DO NOT have to be registered as a food business to sell deer in fur to the final consumer or retailer supplying final consumer such as a local pub or restaurant.
It's that simple!
MS

I didn't have to register as a food business to sell to a game dealer. I only had to register with the game dealer directly and provide my hunter (DSC1) number

 

[VSS]

I didn't have to register as a food business to sell to a game dealer. I only had to register with the game dealer directly and provide my hunter (DSC1) number

Whoever advised you that that was all you needed to do was incorrect.

 

[Sunrise Stalker]

Whoever advised you that that was all you needed to do was incorrect.

"Concerning registration, most LAs would not regard you as a food business operator as no premises of your own are involved and your private vehicle is being used only occasionally to deliver a primary product to an AGHE".
(From the BASC wild game guide: The Wild Game Guide - BASC.)

 

[VSS]

"Concerning registration, most LAs would not regard you as a food business operator as no premises of your own are involved and your private vehicle is being used only occasionally to deliver a primary product to an AGHE".
(From the BASC wild game guide: The Wild Game Guide - BASC.)

Read the FSA Wild Game Guide. That's the definitive document. You need to register as a Food Business with your LA even if all you do is take carcasses direct from the field to an AGHE.
I wrote about it in post #1 here:

Registering as a food business

In a recent thread on here it became aparent that lots of people (myself included) weren't aware that registration as a food business would be required even if all you do is transfer carcasses directly from the field to an AGHE. Following that discussion, I have registered as a food business...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

In some cases, you may need to educate your local EHO about the requirement, because unless they've dealt with such an application before they may not be aware of the Wild Game legislation. But the onus is on you to be compliant. It'll be you that's up to the neck in it when the sh1t hits the fan, not the person who gave you poor advice.
BASC is giving poor advice in this case, it would appear.

We are very fortunate to be able to sell carcasses and venison. The legislation surrounding Wild Game is far more relaxed than that for domestic livestock. However, if stalkers persist in cutting corners and deliberately failing to comply with the existing guidelines then they'll be tightened. And we don't want that.

 

[75]

Ah just trying to get to the bottom of what I need to do legally to sell some venison to local farm shop, paper work isn’t my strong point. Thanks for the reply

This is the controlling document you need to look at: https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/defau...supply of wild game for human consumption.pdf

Page 11 details different scenarios and requirements. Note - there are two rows in the table that cover supply of "wild game" and "wild game meat" to local retailers. The requirements are different depending on whether you process the carcass and even just skinning is considered processing. Basically:

• In the skin to farm shop (small quantities and local) - not a lot needed (general food law)
• Skinned or butchered to farm shop - registration as food business and HACCP plan

 

[Free range rob]

Read the FSA Wild Game Guide. That's the definitive document. You need to register as a Food Business with your LA even if all you do is take carcasses direct from the field to an AGHE.
I wrote about it in post #1 here:

Registering as a food business

In a recent thread on here it became aparent that lots of people (myself included) weren't aware that registration as a food business would be required even if all you do is transfer carcasses directly from the field to an AGHE. Following that discussion, I have registered as a food business...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

In some cases, you may need to educate your local EHO about the requirement, because unless they've dealt with such an application before they may not be aware of the Wild Game legislation. But the onus is on you to be compliant. It'll be you that's up to the neck in it when the sh1t hits the fan, not the person who gave you poor advice.
BASC is giving poor advice in this case, it would appear.

We are very fortunate to be able to sell carcasses and venison. The legislation surrounding Wild Game is far more relaxed than that for domestic livestock. However, if stalkers persist in cutting corners and deliberately failing to comply with the existing guidelines then they'll be tightened. And we don't want that.

Having just had my visit last week, I can confirm this is correct

 

[75]

LA inspection for me tomorrow. First one for a couple of years... I have my copy of the Wild Game Guide to hand and an expectation to have to explain the whole thing! I've always found the inspectors very interested and keen to understand though.