The buyer (if he’s happy to pay)
sending your ticket to someone who's rifle you wish to buy
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The buyer (if he’s happy to pay)
bobjs
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if it was done as in Bruce's number 2,(this is how I have always done it in the past, both shotguns and firearms.) I would have (and have ) paid the seller on line right into their bank.
I have collected the rifle from my chosen rfd who enters it from his register onto my certificate, the hardest bit for me was finding the closest rfd to me who was not ripping my arm off for the transfer fee, and as some have said I have done the same when selling a rifle or shot gun. and I have to admit I have NEVER had any rfd say to me, get the buyer to send you his ticket, fill it in and send it back, all fine until the fecking thing does not turn up for what ever reason.
bob.
I have collected the rifle from my chosen rfd who enters it from his register onto my certificate, the hardest bit for me was finding the closest rfd to me who was not ripping my arm off for the transfer fee, and as some have said I have done the same when selling a rifle or shot gun. and I have to admit I have NEVER had any rfd say to me, get the buyer to send you his ticket, fill it in and send it back, all fine until the fecking thing does not turn up for what ever reason.
bob.
Surely this has been done to death on here now. Everyone must by now know that the correct procedure is to send the FAC, if you chose not to do that, and you can find RFD's to help you break the rules, then that is up to you but I personally wouldn't take the risk especially if it was my business. Odd that people are constantly knocking the Police and FEO's on here yet are promoting breaking the rules? You can't blame Firearms Departments for finding ways to tighten up on people when they can see the current system being abused?
Just as you have posted above mate
Rfd buys gun off you bob,
The rfd who you have sold it to, sells it to another rfd,
The buyer buys your gun off the rfd that your RFD has sold it to
Or vice versa if buying, but the money goes to the seller and each person pays rfd fees
The seller has sold to the rfd and the buyer has bought off the Rfd ,
The buyer and seller have nothing to do with transaction apart from the cash changing hands
Kjf
Rfd buys gun off you bob,
The rfd who you have sold it to, sells it to another rfd,
The buyer buys your gun off the rfd that your RFD has sold it to
Or vice versa if buying, but the money goes to the seller and each person pays rfd fees
The seller has sold to the rfd and the buyer has bought off the Rfd ,
The buyer and seller have nothing to do with transaction apart from the cash changing hands
Kjf
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Orion
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So again, as in Miki’s example at post #20, both of you have committed an offence under S32 Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997
It’s also irrelevant that you’ve stated that the rifle was ‘given’ as that is specifically mentioned in S32(1)(a) as a qualifying act.
As per Glyn 1 above, I really don’t understand why people, especially RFDs, would put themselves on offer by doing it any other way than the legally approved method.
It’s not rocket surgery and is all laid out in easily understood language in the BASC Fact Sheet.
If FLDs are looking to clamp down on firearms ownership (when aren’t they!) then they’ll have an easy ride simply by following up on some of these unlawful transactions.
AN DU RU FOX
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Or lack of.
There is no VAT on secondhand firearms.
How so? If a secondhand firearm is exempt from VAT, then no VAT is charged on the value of the transaction, or am I missing something here?
Of course, there may be VAT on the rfd fees.
VAT margin schemes
How to use VAT margin schemes - records you need to keep, invoicing and VAT return reporting
Just do face to face, if its a gun you really want you will travel to get it, simple
Ian,
Ian,
Lmfao.
In the words of Errol Flynn
Quite frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn
Who cares lol.
Kjf
reloader54
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why assume the buyer should travel, you could say, if you want to sell it deliver it personally.
I'm quite happy to comply with the law regarding obtaining a rifle, after all I had to to obtain the ticket, and behave in an exemplary manner to keep it, what annoys me is those that constantly strive to reduce legal gun ownership knowing we cannot shout too loudly for fear of having those precious tickets removed. often with the blessings of those you would least expect to condone and in some cases encourage it.
The law requires the certificate to be sent to the seller who completes the necessary and sends it back. Takes a couple of days max. RFD to RFD transfer then required. Buyer attends his RFD with completed certificate and collects firearm. Simples!!
If you are stopped by police in possession of your firearm and don’t have your certificate with you, by law they can seize the firearm until you produce it. In reality, how many have been stopped and had this happen? Secondly if you were stopped, the police would carry out necessary checks by radio to confirm you are the certificate holder for that firearm and you would be on your way.
If you are stopped by police in possession of your firearm and don’t have your certificate with you, by law they can seize the firearm until you produce it. In reality, how many have been stopped and had this happen? Secondly if you were stopped, the police would carry out necessary checks by radio to confirm you are the certificate holder for that firearm and you would be on your way.
I've used all 3 methods in the last year
I sold an air rifle (in Scotland so AWL required by both parties) in a face to face transaction
I bought a 22 hornet from another SD member and that was done by me sending my cert to the buyer.
Most recently I bought a shotgun from another SD member and told him what the procedure was. He went to his RFD who said no, and that the weapon had to be transferred off the sellers cert, onto the RFD register, sent to my RFD where I collected it and my RFD completed the relevant part of my cert.
I used the same RFD for both transactions and he seemed OK with either way of doing it.
Cheers
Bruce
I sold an air rifle (in Scotland so AWL required by both parties) in a face to face transaction
I bought a 22 hornet from another SD member and that was done by me sending my cert to the buyer.
Most recently I bought a shotgun from another SD member and told him what the procedure was. He went to his RFD who said no, and that the weapon had to be transferred off the sellers cert, onto the RFD register, sent to my RFD where I collected it and my RFD completed the relevant part of my cert.
I used the same RFD for both transactions and he seemed OK with either way of doing it.
Cheers
Bruce
Look at The Firearms Act 1968 s48(4). Which says the following:
"It is an offence for a person who is in possession of a firearm to fail to comply with a demand under section 48(1)A above (Which is the power of a Constable to require production of a certificate).
Points to Prove:
Date & location.
Being in possession of a firearm
Failed to comply with a demand
By constable to produce a valid certificate/document or show exemption
Sentence: Summary 6 months
On failure to provide a certificate, Section 48(2) does provide for a constable, when a certificate isn't produced to require the name and address and the power to seize any firearms. But read on to S48(4) to get the whole picture.
Of course in practice with radios and computers, any officer can check your certificate and entitlements (assuming all systems are go, as they say on Thunderbirds, or perhaps it was Stingray) so the requirement to produce, under this 1968 legislation made in an analogue world would hardly ever be made today.
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