shooting from a stile yes or no

[Orion]

.................. but I have always wondered if I was in a plane and shot a deer from several thousand feet high and it was on my own ground, would I be breaking the law as it's a moving vehicle.

Yes illegal as 'aircraft' are specifically mentioned and prohibited in the legislation with regard to shooting from moving 'vehicles' - I guess it's to pre-empt the introduction of NZ style helichopper culling! But it's a moot point with regard to rotary wing aircraft with a skilful pilot in the hover - are they actually classed as moving?

just my stupid question to add to the mix.

What about a glider? Snap! (or a submarine from said river?)

 

[Taff]

Ah but what if I fired a .243 ballistic missile that went straight up from my property, entered space, re entered directly above my other permission in another part of the country, using a laser to guide it and head shot a deer, would I have committed a offence, I can,t find anything in the DI guide lines or in DSC 1or2.

 

[Orion]

You can wriggle as much as you like but you'll still be committing an offence.

Given that there are no commercially available .243/6mm expanding 'missiles' incorporating a suitable heat shield that would prevent at least 50% of the projectile's mass burning away on re-entry, coupled with the terminal velocity through the atmosphere of such a reduced mass object, it would fail to achieve the minimum requirements of the Deer Act.

You're still screwed.

 

[2130martin]

SL6.5

Shooting at Quarry..........

 

[2130martin]

Why would it be illegal, you may have sold the fishing rights but you may own the sporting rights a completely different thing, but I have always wondered if I was in a plane and shot a deer from several thousand feet high and it was on my own ground, would I be breaking the law as it's a moving vehicle. just my stupid question to add to the mix.

Even if its two seperate permissions/landowners???

 

[Taff]

Irrelevant if you have permission both sides of the river

 

[ELMER FUDD]

Ah but what if I fired a .243 ballistic missile that went straight up from my property, entered space, re entered directly above my other permission in another part of the country, using a laser to guide it and head shot a deer, would I have committed a offence, I can,t find anything in the DI guide lines or in DSC 1or2.

Never going to happen but the law says,

Airspace trespass:

A person who owns land also owns the airspace above it, up to a height
required for the reasonable enjoyment of the land. If someone fires over the land without the land
owner's permission then this constitutes a trespass for which the land owner can pursue a civil
claim

 

[SL6.5]

Never going to happen but the law says,

Airspace trespass:

A person who owns land also owns the airspace above it, up to a height
required for the reasonable enjoyment of the land. If someone fires over the land without the land
owner's permission then this constitutes a trespass for which the land owner can pursue a civil
claim

Claim for what exactly? Loss, damage, nuisance? To pursue such a claim there does need to be loss, damage or real nuisance worthy of seeking civil remedy for, does there not? Over to all you experts.

 

[ELMER FUDD]

Law is law and that is what the authorities will nail you on unless you can convince them otherwise.


SHOOTING NEAR RIGHTS OF WAY (E.G. FOOTPATHS & BRIDLEWAYS)

When the footpath runs across private land the ownership of the land and sporting
rights are unaltered. Therefore a person with the shooting/sporting rights may
shoot on or over footpaths on their land equally to public having the right to walk
(to pass and re-pass) along it as a means of communication. So the public and the
shooters have a concurrent right to the footpath and it is up to both parties to not
obstruct the other.
However if you shoot over footpaths, only do so if you have permission to drop shot
over the land on the other side. To fire a bullet or shot onto land that you have no
right to shoot into or over is ‘constructive trespass’. Whilst this is a civil matter
BASC strongly advises not to do this. It is also a basic safety precaution not to
shoot into cover where you cannot be sure what your projectile(s) will hit. It is
especially important to apply this when shooting near footpaths obscured by hedges
or foliage. It is good practice to only shoot across footpaths where you can see
approaching users from a long way off and be certain you will not cause danger or
alarm. Please note that in the case of air weapons it is a criminal offence to fire an
air pellet outside the boundary of your permitted premises.
If you shoot from a path situated on somebody else’s land (regardless of who owns
the rights to shoot on the land you are shooting into) it is taken to be armed
trespass which is a criminal offence. If a member of public is using a public right of way that crosses or is

 

[berg]

This is just rubbish now ,who shoots i rifle straight up in the air apart from a prat .come on the guy shooting from the stile is pushing his luck ,i hope he just dose the sensible thing and ask the land owner if he can be there ,if not and he gets caught out he won't have to worry about what he can our can not do with a firearm anymore

 

[Taff]

Who said anything about shooting a rifle straight up, we were talking about the new blaser inter ballistic 243 missile, for which there is now hopefully going to be a module in dsc1.
You may think that only a prat would do something like this, Buuuuuut some people think they can shoot off someone else's land onto there's , so there is a lot of them around.

 

[berg]

Who said anything about shooting a rifle straight up, we were talking about the new blaser inter ballistic 243 missile, for which there is now hopefully going to be a module in dsc1.
You may think that only a prat would do something like this, Buuuuuut some people think they can shoot off someone else's land onto there's , so there is a lot of them around.

That's true enough

 

[SL6.5]

Who said anything about shooting a rifle straight up, we were talking about the new blaser inter ballistic 243 missile, for which there is now hopefully going to be a module in dsc1.
You may think that only a prat would do something like this, Buuuuuut some people think they can shoot off someone else's land onto there's , so there is a lot of them around.

I give in, curiosity finally has the better of me. The question that's been in my mind since I first read the above just has to be asked. Do you ever stop, for even a moment, to consider why the various exceptions, and such expressions as "reasonable excuse," are included in the legislation pertaining to the subject under discussion here? Or do you prefer to just continue on with your evidently unshakeable belief that your view is the only correct one?

 

[countrryboy]

Now i wouldn't do wot the OP is talking about shooting from someonelses land onto ur own. (Think i would be asking for permission first or building a hide/doe box on ur side 2nd)

BUT is it really that different from using a quiet roadside gate as a lean to shoot a fox in your field?? Farmer may not own the verge could be LA or anyones (ransom strip)?

Or is it much different shooting/lamping foxes off a public road?? (Obviously not talking about a busy road and not causing distress/alarm etc) Chances are the farmer won't own the road or the verge.

Like i said not something i would do but not as stupid as it first sounds and possibly not as clear cut in law either. But don't think it wil win u any friends with local landowners/stalkers or police even if not strictly ill-legal

 

[Taff]

no where in the op did he say , there was a injured animal or any excuse for reasonable excuse or do you just come on here with what you think he should have written , and your total belief that what you think is always correct. please copy and paste the exemption that says I can shoot a deer on my land from the next door neighbours land, because I can,t stalk close enough from my own land, without the deer running away.

 

[Pedro]

Oh jeez. Here's the thing. Unless you own the land yourself, you need to have permission to shoot on/over it. It's that simple. Abide by that and you won't go wrong.

Don't think because you've got a right of way over any land, be it a public road, bridleway, footpath or whatever, you can shoot there. Of course you may be able to shoot there if you have permission from the owner of the land, for example a footpath crossing a farmer's field where you have permission.

That's why we don't see people shooting all those pigeons in Trafalgar Square, folks.

 

[SL6.5]

no where in the op did he say , there was a injured animal or any excuse for reasonable excuse or do you just come on here with what you think he should have written , and your total belief that what you think is always correct. please copy and paste the exemption that says I can shoot a deer on my land from the next door neighbours land, because I can,t stalk close enough from my own land, without the deer running away.

Name the offence you think the OP, or anyone doing as the OP suggests, would commit.

 

[berg]

Name the offence you think the OP, or anyone doing as the OP suggests, would commit.

are you for real or just on a wined up ,he's not on his land he dose not have the permission to be there with a rifle ,ask yout fao if your not sure

 

[SL6.5]

are you for real or just on a wined up ,he's not on his land he dose not have the permission to be there with a rifle ,ask yout fao if your not sure

No wind up, totally for real. Please name the offence you think the OP, or anyone doing as the OP suggests, would commit.

 

[8x57]

It would certainly be unusual if Lister has a condition on his certificate that allowed him to shoot on land that he does not have permission to shoot on.
So just for starters he is probably not complying with the conditions on his firearms certificate before we start arguing about the whys and wherefores of armed trespass in pursuit of which I am sure will be an enthralling argument.