I think they are destroying the car industry
So are copper bullets the solution?
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nun_hunter
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They may be "destroying" it in the short term but without electric vehicles there won't be any car industry.
Public transport and trains are way better for the environment than any car, even an electric one. Electric cars aren't being developed to "save the planet" they're being developed to be sold and make money and keep the car industry functioning in the most similar way possible.
If it was really about not using fossil fuels and trying to save the planet then lithium ion batteries and a new car on every drive wouldn't be the preferred option.
Please don't give the wwt and packham an excuse to go after copper next as the( toxic sharp fragments may kill you .)
Smellydog
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I think they have already worked it out.Please don't give the wwt and packham an excuse to go after copper next as the( toxic sharp fragments may kill you .)
You don't honestly think they will stop at a lead ban do you?
And reduce the population, which is the root cause of the problem.
markj1
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I don't think that population growth is the issue per-se.
I think the issue is that we're all chasing a higher standard of living.
For example, my suggestion that we make less use of private vehicles was met with resentment. And there are over a billion Chinese and over a billion Indians and a billion Africans who, in time, will want a private vehicle - or two - per family, just like we insist that it's our right to have it.
This is unsustainable. If we want to keep chasing higher standards of living in the West then we need to be prepared for the rest of the world to demand the same.
So are options are to (a) keep everyone outside of the Western world in relative poverty, or (b) to tune-down the growth rate of our own standard of living, or (c) to reduce the world's population (not sure how this can be achieved, though) . I am personally in favour of option (b).
Well, I do.-
A great may of the electric cars in the UK are, in effect, running on Canadian wood-chips (many of which are proven to come from virgin forestry) which have been shipped across thousands of miles by dirty great ships then taken to be burned at DRAX.
My Landy runs on diesel, which I believe you'll find is simply nicely refined ancient biomass that would otherwise sit dormant underground.
FFS it would seem like like I'm doing more recycling than the CEGB !
My Landy runs on diesel, which I believe you'll find is simply nicely refined ancient biomass that would otherwise sit dormant underground.
FFS it would seem like like I'm doing more recycling than the CEGB !
markj1
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A great may of the electric cars in the UK are, in effect, running on Canadian wood-chips (many of which are proven to come from virgin forestry) which have been shipped across thousands of miles by dirty great ships then taken to be burned at DRAX.
My Landy runs on diesel, which I believe you'll find is simply nicely refined ancient biomass that would otherwise sit dormant underground.
FFS it would seem like like I'm doing more recycling than the CEGB !
I don't think that any form of personal mobility solution that involved chugging along a one ton piece of metal is ever going to be 'green', however powered.
Pretty much the only advantage that EVs have over ICE cars, is that they remove air pollution from densly population urban areas, which is where 80% of the UK's population live or work.
And, so while EVs are great news for air quality in our city centres (and for the lungs of the people there, especially the children), they do bugger all to help the environment or the planet.
Polluting the air around the locations of where the power plants are is obviously not great either, but it's still preferable to doing this in the centre of London or Manchester or Birmingham etc.
This is why I proposed to ban private cars from city centres, and allow any type of car (including old Diesel cars) everywhere else.
