tackb
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Pedant alert, muzzle brakes! Sorry just one of my finger nails down a blackboard things!!!
David.
i think the weight of the head has an effect on the break as well
Softer-shooting than .308?
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i think the weight of the head has an effect on the break as well
Blaser dual brake, according to neighbours at the range it does redirect at least "some" sound and pressure.....
If there are better options, please share.
2200J at 100m, so most likely no.
Lighter is better.
Mod not allowed.
Just seen Blaser sell a recoil absorbtion system and a kick stop. The kick stop adds about 450grams, recoil absorbtion system none (?) so those could be an option.....
tackb
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Blaser dual brake, according to neighbours at the range it does redirect at least "some" sound and pressure.....
If there are better options, please share.
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these are the two i use , and i have heard great things about the MDT brake
But more weight is going to have the biggest effect on taming the recoil . Really light rifles are a great thing carrying around, but the recoil is greatly increased . can only then suggest you employ the service of a gun bearer .
My own daughter has mobility issues and is very limited to what guns she shoots now . Perhaps you might use a vehicle , or shoot from high seats and ground hides?
Stalking is the preferred method I'm afraid. The R8 is not a light rifle, but acceptable for carrying. As stated before less is better, but I guess recoil is the bigger issue, so we need to find a good balance. Or if need be, I will be carrying the gun...
jthyttin
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Just about anything is more effective in reducing recoil than those pepperpot brakes that Blaser seems to be. But be aware that if you put an efficient brake to your rifle you really need double ear protection for even single shots. And make sure the shooting glasses are not lifting the edge or ear muff. Recoil-wise it's an eye opener, you really don't feel any recoil with efficient brake that is fit for your rifle and load.
The Blaser one allready makes a big noise, any more will free up space on the range. Will take teh Blaser one off to compare between shots when I am shooting. Curious to see what is does with the sound and recoil.
Rutland lad
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May I suggest the simple 6.5x55.
I have no axe to grind with the Creedmore community, but you could load 6.5x55 with 123grain bullets (as I have) and the result is a very sweet shooting rifle with easy recoil to manage. Then should you wish you could use the extra case capacity it has over the Creedmore to up your bullet weight towards the 140 grain area which will bring more recoil into play.
It could be used to familiarise yourself back up to the .308 you already own.
I have no axe to grind with the Creedmore community, but you could load 6.5x55 with 123grain bullets (as I have) and the result is a very sweet shooting rifle with easy recoil to manage. Then should you wish you could use the extra case capacity it has over the Creedmore to up your bullet weight towards the 140 grain area which will bring more recoil into play.
It could be used to familiarise yourself back up to the .308 you already own.
.25-06
Not snappy, very comfortable to shoot with mild recoil, flat shooting, seems to be inherently accurate regardless of ammo and hits like a .270.
Also shoots flatter and hits harder than the creed out to 400y or so.
Plus you’ll avoid all the creedmoor jokes
Not snappy, very comfortable to shoot with mild recoil, flat shooting, seems to be inherently accurate regardless of ammo and hits like a .270.
Also shoots flatter and hits harder than the creed out to 400y or so.
Plus you’ll avoid all the creedmoor jokes
It has nothing to do with familiarisation, but with lessening load on the body.
We'll go step by step:
First see how we can tune our current gun with different 308 ammo and check the muzzle brake for effect.
Second try the kick stop in the current gun.
Next try the second gun with our current barrel (long live the R8 modularity, although it is 520mm vs 580mm length) and kick back and recoil pad added.
Then see if Sam feels the need to step down to 6,5mm.
I would prefer to keep the 308 caliber (1 gun will), just because it is a bit more versatile, or at least regarded as such and easier with just one type of ammo. But if we need to, we will step down to 6,5mm.
That will be the moment to open the can of worms for the discussion about SE vs CM vs.....
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HonestJohn
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.25-06
Not snappy, very comfortable to shoot with mild recoil, flat shooting, seems to be inherently accurate regardless of ammo and hits like a .270.
Also shoots flatter and hits harder than the creed out to 400y or so.
Plus you’ll avoid all the creedmoor jokes
I do shoot one, 100g will take even the largest rutting stag. But, finding lead free ammo in factory loads…jeez!!
Scipio
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Hello mate.25-06
Not snappy, very comfortable to shoot with mild recoil, flat shooting, seems to be inherently accurate regardless of ammo and hits like a .270.
Also shoots flatter and hits harder than the creed out to 400y or so.
Plus you’ll avoid all the creedmoor jokes
i do like the 25-06 myself! However although i might of course have understood it incorrectly, (and i hope i am corrected if i did) i think Samantha needs to go down in not only felt recoil but in effective energy transfered to her body. So though the idea of going down in bullet weight (for example with the 25 cals) is indeed a good idea and should help, going up a class in terms of powder capacity might not be opportune.
But didnt the netherlands insist on minimum 6.5 cal for larger deer and such ? If so the quarters might not make the cut, in this case.
@Emilio do you know if the NLs are currently considering adapting the energy and especially caliber size and bullet weight demands for bigger game? Because your rules sounds a bit like the ones we used to have up here in Denmark as well.
However after Denmark decided go to fully non lead for rifle hunting ammo, the laws have been adapted to better reflect the non lead bullets characteristics, so they now allow for lighter for cal bullet weights, and even smaller calibers for larger game too i think (6mm now as long as the E100 is high enough).
And i think Sweden have also recently adapted their rules on the matter too, so it might be a bit of a trend going on, as a response to the non lead ammo becoming normal, if not standard.
If such considerations are also being taken right now in your country, holding on a bit to the 308 for now, (though going as much down in bullet weight as possible), and waiting to see if not both moderators and even possibly smaller cals might soon be allowed could be a good idea vs spending a good bit of money on a 6.5 barrel for the r8 immediately. Just an idea of course.
Tell me about it, especially if you are not shooting 308, 30-06 or other of the most common cals. Luckily Samantha is, and that might at least cut the cost of buying factory loaded non lead ammo slightly, but yeah, it is not cheap these days.
I do not expect changes in the regs in NL any time soon. We recently got a new regime for al the regs, so with this being pretty new, I expect no changes for the coming years.Hello mate
i do like the 25-06 myself! However although i might of course have understood it incorrectly, (and i hope i am corrected if i did) i think Samantha needs to go down in not only felt recoil but in effective energy transfered to her body. So though the idea of going down in bullet weight (for example with the 25 cals) is indeed a good idea and should help, going up a class in terms of powder capacity might not be opportune.
But didnt the netherlands insist on minimum 6.5 cal for larger deer and such ? If so the quarters might not make the cut, in this case.
@Emilio do you know if the NLs are currently considering adapting the energy and especially caliber size and bullet weight demands for bigger game? Because your rules sounds a bit like the ones we used to have up here in Denmark as well.
However after Denmark decided go to fully non lead for rifle hunting ammo, the laws have been adapted to better reflect the non lead bullets characteristics, so they now allow for lighter for cal bullet weights, and even smaller calibers for larger game too i think (6mm now as long as the E100 is high enough).
And i think Sweden have also recently adapted their rules on the matter too, so it might be a bit of a trend going on, as a response to the non lead ammo becoming normal, if not standard.
If such considerations are also being taken right now in your country, holding on a bit to the 308 for now, (though going as much down in bullet weight as possible), and waiting to see if not both moderators and even possibly smaller cals might soon be allowed could be a good idea vs spending a good bit of money on a 6.5 barrel for the r8 immediately. Just an idea of course.
Tell me about it, especially if you are not shooting 308, 30-06 or other of the most common cals. Luckily Samantha is, and that might at least cut the cost of buying factory loaded non lead ammo slightly, but yeah, it is not cheap these days.
There is talk about changing from a more local to more national regime which will again require a complete new set of regs and a lawsuit has recently been won about the use of mods by others besides officials. The trend you mention might help with that, things are changing, now also with nightvion in DE.
But in NL it will take some time for this to seep thru. It just has no high priority in NL, with only 28k hunters out of a population of 18 million.......
btw; a 25-06 is 6,53mm as far as I can find, so should be allowed. I do have a hard time finding ammo for it, so because of that not the most likely option....
Foxyboy43
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Apparently it is .257 but curiously bracketed as 6.5mm yet the “true” 6.5 is .264”.
Not sure if that helps….
nun_hunter
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6.35mm not 6.53mm so it wouldn't meet your requirements.
A .257" calibre bullet measures 6.53mm. A 6.5mm calibre bullet measures 6.70mm.
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