Something interesting for you - revolver rifle

[User00048]

Why not go for a lever action in 45-70, quite a few to choose from?

I probably may in future but no need at the moment. The .30-06 gets the brunt of use for anything larger. I'm quite liking the idea of this revolver carbine in .45 colt. Double action, so 5 shots available straight after eachother. Due to the heavy bullet selection and low velocity, they drop dramatically after 100 yards, so great for woodland and other instances you would use a .22lr but want that bit more umph without going to a centrefire rifle calibre.
The downside is you can't really take deer species due to the ft/lbs. Thats where something like one chambered in .45 70 would hold its own along with the above advantages in this action type.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Mate of mine has been playing with one on the range for a while now
Rossi circuit judge synthetic thumbhole job, it has a bit of weight to it but very short.. not for me.

Rossi Circuit Judge 45 Colt / 410-ga. 18.5" Polished Black - Tactical Black Synthetic

www.rossiusa.com

 

[User00048]

This one is light as a feather. I much prefer the wood stock over the synthetic stock variery.

Mate of mine has been playing with one on the range for a while now
Rossi circuit judge synthetic thumbhole job, it has a bit of weight to it but very short.. not for me.

Rossi Circuit Judge 45 Colt / 410-ga. 18.5" Polished Black - Tactical Black Synthetic

www.rossiusa.com

 

[Hunter5567]

Very very nice collection you have there. I only have the one revolver handgun myself, as we in the UK are very restricted for reasons we can have them. Of course then this rifle I have posted is classed as a rifle and the stainless matches well with the one on my ruger gp100.
I was very much liking the idea of one chambered in .45-70, that is, a revolver carbine as opposed to a handgun. I did do some research and I knew Rossi did a .44 magnum addition as well as .22wmr but didn't think they did .45-70?

I haven't seen a revolving 4570 rifle. I suppose someone has taken the BFR 4570 revolver and made a rifle out of it. I've seen it done with a a Smith and Wesson 357 rifle carbine in Guns and Ammo magazine a long time back. Rossi may make the Circuit Judge into a 454 Casull/410 revolving rifle. They make a pistol that will shoot that. If they make a 454 Casull version, a 45-70 version would be on a less pressure chambering. A 45 Colt can be handloaded to the same power as the 44 magnum at less pressure.
Ruger 45 Colt loads are basically 45 Magnum loads. A rIfle will boost the velocities 3-400fps over the pistol.
I've been collecting for many years. The Demoncrats are trying their damnedest to disarm us to save lives while aborting babies right and left. Revolvers are passe' here being old school technology with everyone wanting the latest tactical wonder 9 pistol or tactical rifles. I have a few auto pistols too but like the revolvers more being old school myself.

 

[kenbro]

Is that what they do in Australia? There aren't enough of these in the UK for that to happen and we also don't have a high number of cases of firearm theft I don't believe.

I believe in relation to handgun crime in the UK, the primary source is illegal importation and smuggling through Birmingham and London. Secondary to that, would be: guns manufactured underground, converted old replica's, use of obsolete calibre handguns like .44 russian. We once had airguns that used the Brocock air cartridge system but these were banned due to the ease of them being used with live cartridges.

I thought you could keep a Brocock TAC if you already had one (At time of ban) as long as you put it on your FAC, and you couldn’t sell it.
Ken.

 

[flying felix]

We in the UK can only dream of owning handguns again....thick politicians & media!

I think you mean GB not UK. I own a number of handguns on my UK FAC.

 

[flying felix]

Very very nice collection you have there. I only have the one revolver handgun myself, as we in the UK are very restricted for reasons we can have them...

I'm in the UK and the reasons I gave were that I shoot in pistol competitions. I know of people who's UK FAC states that they can carry their handgun as a personal protection weapon. I think you are referring to GB not UK.

 

[User00048]

I thought you could keep a Brocock TAC if you already had one (At time of ban) as long as you put it on your FAC, and you couldn’t sell it.
Ken.

Yeah they were banned but you could keep them on fac like you say, if you had one at the time of the ban. Someone i know only got his fac so he could keep it but then went on to other types of firearms from there.

 

[User00048]

I'm in the UK and the reasons I gave were that I shoot in pistol competitions. I know of people who's UK FAC states that they can carry their handgun as a personal protection weapon. I think you are referring to GB not UK.

My apologies, I was indeed referring to GB and not the whole of the UK. So no offence intended to those in/from Northern Ireland or Isle of man etc

 

[Southern]

I did a great deal of looking into this and I am very surprised I could not find one, even in the US market. I would have much prefered that option for deer.

Its a real shame regarding some of our legislation in the UK and deer. A 200gr plus .45 colt with 400 ft/lbs would easily put down a Fallow with a chest shot within 50 yards from a high seat, in my mind..but not to worry, plenty of other legal capable cals in the cabinet!

It absolutely will. A good friend is a Cowboy Action Shooter, and uses his Rossi 92 in .45 Colt and his Ruger Vaquero revolver for hunting feral hogs and deer, in the woods, often at bay by a pack of dogs or just stalking up within 50 yards.

 

[deeangeo]

I think you mean GB not UK. I own a number of handguns on my UK FAC.

Well with the exception of NI I guess, but I was thinking UK mainland. Getting section 5 FAC is rather difficult.

 

[Hornet 6]

I'm in the UK and the reasons I gave were that I shoot in pistol competitions. I know of people who's UK FAC states that they can carry their handgun as a personal protection weapon. I think you are referring to GB not UK.

Splitting hairs much ?
You live in NI which while part of the UK, is a very minor part with its own devolved parliament at the moment.
Personally I'd rather live in mainland UK and not have a need for a handgun for protection.

Neil.

 

[flying felix]

Splitting hairs much ?
You live in NI which while part of the UK, is a very minor part with its own devolved parliament at the moment.
Personally I'd rather live in mainland UK and not have a need for a handgun for protection.

Neil.

I wouldn't say that it's splitting hairs. You wouldn't refer to the whole of the UK as England or say that Canada was part of the USA. So why would you use UK when you mean GB.

As for NI being a very minor part of the UK, I think the current Brexit farce would disagree. (I know I used the B word, I'll slap my wrist later).

 

[Hunter5567]

You can get 45 and 50 cal air rifles here and in some states they are legal for hunting deer. A buddy has a 45 air rifle and it will launch a 200gr pellet out at 7-800fps. About the power or a little less than a 45 ACP pistol. Another buddy is shooting an Encore with 45 ACP barrel moderated to be able to use expanding 45 bullets on deer. The 45-70 barrel he has shoots 400gr bullets that don't expand at subsonic but do punch a big hole through. A handgun bullet will penetrate a lot since most won't expand when starting at the low velocity of 700 to 1000fps. Newer bullet technology has expanding bullets at these low velocities at the expense of penetration but is adequate at the shorter ranges involved to a max of 100 yards and preferably 50 yards.

 

[alberta boy]

Very very nice collection you have there. I only have the one revolver handgun myself, as we in the UK are very restricted for reasons we can have them. Of course then this rifle I have posted is classed as a rifle and the stainless matches well with the one on my ruger gp100.
I was very much liking the idea of one chambered in .45-70, that is, a revolver carbine as opposed to a handgun. I did do some research and I knew Rossi did a .44 magnum addition as well as .22wmr but didn't think they did .45-70?

Unfortunately the powers that be have classified these as a restricted weapon in Canada because it's built on a revolver frame . I'd love to have one if it was non restricted , I'd use it exactly as you described in your other post , as a general purpose small game and , with heavier loadings , close range deer rifle . As Southern says , a heavy loaded 45 Colt is more than adequate for short range medium game .
As an aside , I've shot a Magnum Research revolver in 45/70 . The recoil is , to say the least , substantial lol . Hopefully we'll see a non restricted revolving rifle in 45/70 one day . I think Greener Jim on here was looking at the possibility of building one a while back . There are a number of muzzle-loading revolving rifles based on a Remington 1858 frame kicking around out here . They're non-restricted but have been out of production for a while , which translates into expensive . I've fired a few , they're fun but messy . They don't have a deflection plate on the cylinder either , so a long gauntlet glove is a must or your left wrist will be well done after a cylinder full lol .
Cool concept , thanks for posting AB

 

[User00048]

You can get 45 and 50 cal air rifles here and in some states they are legal for hunting deer. A buddy has a 45 air rifle and it will launch a 200gr pellet out at 7-800fps. About the power or a little less than a 45 ACP pistol. Another buddy is shooting an Encore with 45 ACP barrel moderated to be able to use expanding 45 bullets on deer. The 45-70 barrel he has shoots 400gr bullets that don't expand at subsonic but do punch a big hole through. A handgun bullet will penetrate a lot since most won't expand when starting at the low velocity of 700 to 1000fps. Newer bullet technology has expanding bullets at these low velocities at the expense of penetration but is adequate at the shorter ranges involved to a max of 100 yards and preferably 50 yards.

The critical defence 185gr ftx .45colt by Hornady has peaked my interest...
Made to expand fast but also penetrate heavy clothing.
Resembling a vmax with the exception of the segments/cuts in the sides of the bullet, obviously aiding in expension like the CCI segmented range for .22r.
Sounds to me (although made in the USA for self defence), an idea pest/critter load in a pistol calibre. Particularly suited to maintaining expansion at lower velocities.

 

[kenbro]

I haven't seen a revolving 4570 rifle. I suppose someone has taken the BFR 4570 revolver and made a rifle out of it. I've seen it done with a a Smith and Wesson 357 rifle carbine in Guns and Ammo magazine a long time back. Rossi may make the Circuit Judge into a 454 Casull/410 revolving rifle. They make a pistol that will shoot that. If they make a 454 Casull version, a 45-70 version would be on a less pressure chambering. A 45 Colt can be handloaded to the same power as the 44 magnum at less pressure.
Ruger 45 Colt loads are basically 45 Magnum loads. A rIfle will boost the velocities 3-400fps over the pistol.
I've been collecting for many years. The Demoncrats are trying their damnedest to disarm us to save lives while aborting babies right and left. Revolvers are passe' here being old school technology with everyone wanting the latest tactical wonder 9 pistol or tactical rifles. I have a few auto pistols too but like the revolvers more being old school myself.

Revolver would be my choice for carry gun. They work.
Ken.

 

[Freeforester]

If you get caught with one of them, surely you'd be transported....

 

[User00048]

If you get caught with one of them, surely you'd be transported....

Who is your comment directed at Freeforester?
This is a sect 1 firearm held on firearm certificate.

 

[Freeforester]

Sorry Declan, it was an Oz themed joke riposte re John Gryphon's mention of the criminal element down under's modification preferences at #16, somehow I didn't get the reply quote included. I'm sure all is in order your end, you'd hardly be advertising it on the forum after all!