Available: Speyside Deer Stalking

[blacklab3042]

Hi all,

Due to a cancellation a space has become available for a deer stalking syndicate in rural Speyside in Scotland.

Approximately 900 acres of woodland, some of which is quite open. Red and Roe Deer present, the ground has not been shot in the last three years. There are plenty of deer on the ground.

DSC Level 1 is a MUST - DSC Level 2 is preferred but not essential . Any other shooting qualifications are also welcomed.

BASC insurance or similar essential

Copper ammunition only

FAC with deer legal calibre(s) open certificates and AOLQ will be required.

All carcasses will be yours to keep, unlimited outings although a fair usage policy will apply and there will be a minimum of 48 hours between each stalkers outing to ensure a fair chance for the next stalker.

For example - if stalker A books Saturday & Sunday then Stalker B can’t book Friday last minute as this could jeopardise Stalker A’s chances . Stalker B could book Monday (if he wanted to) on the understanding that Stalker A was out Saturday & Sunday. Otherwise Stalker B would then be offered Tuesday onwards.

Any questions or queries on this please feel free to ask - the booking system is non-negotiable.

For those who are interested please send a PM with a summary of your experience - for those who are successful in joining will have to demonstrate safe firearms handling and complete a basic shooting competency test.

Price will be £1200 inc of VAT and will be required in full before any outing.

 

[David Barker]

Hi all,

Due to a cancellation a space has become available for a deer stalking syndicate in rural Speyside in Scotland.

Approximately 900 acres of woodland, some of which is quite open. Red and Roe Deer present, the ground has not been shot in the last three years. There are plenty of deer on the ground.

DSC Level 1 is a MUST - DSC Level 2 is preferred but not essential . Any other shooting qualifications are also welcomed.

BASC insurance or similar essential

Copper ammunition only

FAC with deer legal calibre(s) open certificates and AOLQ will be required.

All carcasses will be yours to keep, unlimited outings although a fair usage policy will apply and there will be a minimum of 48 hours between each stalkers outing to ensure a fair chance for the next stalker.

For example - if stalker A books Saturday & Sunday then Stalker B can’t book Friday last minute as this could jeopardise Stalker A’s chances . Stalker B could book Monday (if he wanted to) on the understanding that Stalker A was out Saturday & Sunday. Otherwise Stalker B would then be offered Tuesday onwards.

Any questions or queries on this please feel free to ask - the booking system is non-negotiable.

For those who are interested please send a PM with a summary of your experience - for those who are successful in joining will have to demonstrate safe firearms handling and complete a basic shooting competency test.

Price will be £1200 inc of VAT and will be required in full before any outing.

Why insist on copper if the carcase is there own to do with what they like. ? Also why ask for a Basic shooting test and firearms safety if you are insisting on LEV One or TWO

 

[blacklab3042]

Why insist on copper if the carcase is there own to do with what they like. ? Also why ask for a Basic shooting test and firearms safety if you are insisting on LEV One or TWO

Copper is land owners decision and safety test or check is a good thing surely ?

 

[Bowland blades]

Why insist on copper if the carcase is there own to do with what they like. ? Also why ask for a Basic shooting test and firearms safety if you are insisting on LEV One or TWO

it is common practice on Larger Estates and not a bad idea , NOBODY should be bothered by the request to shoot the target before a beast . If anyone finds it demeaning , shoot the target standing fee hand .
Besides level 1 and 2 have been massively degraded as a qual in the eyes of many including myself

 

[hoodwink]

As already said, a lot of estates require a simple test before going out, some only a once a year like the FC, it quite amazing how many dont turn up with a zeroed rifle.

 

[David Barker]

As already said, a lot of estates require a simple test before going out, some only a once a year like the FC, it quite amazing how many dont turn up with a zeroed rifle.

I agree quick check on rifle is different than a test. Sadly some are really pedantic and if that's the case then i would not buy in to that. If the dsc1 has been degraded as stated by The blades guy please explaine because it hasn't changed. No wounder we have to many deer in scotland.

 

[Bowland blades]

I agree quick check on rifle is different than a test. Sadly some are really pedantic and if that's the case then i would not buy in to that. If the dsc1 has been degraded as stated by The blades guy please explaine because it hasn't changed. No wounder we have to many deer in scotland.

DSC 1 came from an older mentorship scheme by another group who still have their own training program to this day . DSC 1 has definitively changed some for the better and some for the worst , it was developed because there simply wasn't enough enough mentors and there was money involved . BASC wasn't really in the picture at that stage but soon where . DSC 2 has changed ( most) of all, I have heard tales 1 beast and allowing penned in beasts and the stalk can be replaced by getting out the 4x4 before before actually shooting the beast ! . 3 was the minimum number that you could submit previous and a lot of those folks got turned away and told to gather more knowledge. I did about half a dozen under a accredited witness ( who would not allow me to put a few others culled as he was personally against using high seats for stalking quals ) It all meant the training was " ROBUST " and the new estate pro employed stalkers don't often take level 2
The good news is estates will normally ask the shooter fires at the target no matter what certs they hold- its not an insult ! . If anyone feels insulted by the estate wanting a shooting test no matter what quals they have . The flip side is the client who can shoot just fine on the target but falls to bits on a beast . Nothings perfect !
Really if you think a test before you can go out on the deer is a put down on your ability shoot one prone , one sitting and one off hand , you risk being labelled a show off . Hope this sets things clearer
The Blades Guy

 

[ARMSID]

I go to a stalker with a famous name in Argyle each December first thing we do is go on the range and check zero .My mate and i always check zero before going out it is not an insult to be asked this and certs or not placing the shot correctly ensures clean and humane kill

 

[hoodwink]

I think for an organisation,Club, Estate, it would only be seen as due diligence. In the event of something unfortunate happening, i think the question would be asked of the people in charge, what did you do to check the ability, competence, accuracy, of your stalkers.

 

[ARMSID]

Hoodwink due diligence is a must and W checks all is good before going out our fitness any ailments physical ability can we climb steep inclines etc and all rifle safety checks and will take us where our ability is safe (i an 73and mate is 81) climbing is hard so open lowland for us all his stalkers have all relavent first aid as well as all other necesary certs overall a good outfit we always go accompanied

 

[Yukonmountainhunter]

Out of curiosity.... what are the parametres of the shooting test? ie: target size, distance, etc.

R

 

[hoodwink]

Generally 100meter into a 75mm or 100mm target 3 shots, Bare minimum for scope test.
Then for dsc1 2 shots on a deer silhouette 2 shots off sticks i think 50 meters
2 shots in to the head at 5meters despatch shot.
Something in that general idea.
I am told a lot fail on the despatch shots. As the shot is roughly 50mm below the sight line.

 

[Moray]

Hi all,

Due to a cancellation a space has become available for a deer stalking syndicate in rural Speyside in Scotland.

Approximately 900 acres of woodland, some of which is quite open. Red and Roe Deer present, the ground has not been shot in the last three years. There are plenty of deer on the ground.

DSC Level 1 is a MUST - DSC Level 2 is preferred but not essential . Any other shooting qualifications are also welcomed.

BASC insurance or similar essential

Copper ammunition only

FAC with deer legal calibre(s) open certificates and AOLQ will be required.

All carcasses will be yours to keep, unlimited outings although a fair usage policy will apply and there will be a minimum of 48 hours between each stalkers outing to ensure a fair chance for the next stalker.

For example - if stalker A books Saturday & Sunday then Stalker B can’t book Friday last minute as this could jeopardise Stalker A’s chances . Stalker B could book Monday (if he wanted to) on the understanding that Stalker A was out Saturday & Sunday. Otherwise Stalker B would then be offered Tuesday onwards.

Any questions or queries on this please feel free to ask - the booking system is non-negotiable.

For those who are interested please send a PM with a summary of your experience - for those who are successful in joining will have to demonstrate safe firearms handling and complete a basic shooting competency test.

Price will be £1200 inc of VAT and will be required in full before any outing.

How many members are u looking to have in the syndicate. Just of interest.

 

[blacklab3042]

As already said, a lot of estates require a simple test before going out, some only a once a year like the FC, it quite amazing how many dont turn up with a zeroed rifle.

Exactly my point - I’m also alarmed at how many people who have shot for years still turn up with the bolt in the rifle, one in particular had a spent case still in the chamber. Oddly enough he was DSC 1 and 2 qualified and subsequently was told not to come back!

 

[blacklab3042]

I agree quick check on rifle is different than a test. Sadly some are really pedantic and if that's the case then i would not buy in to that. If the dsc1 has been degraded as stated by The blades guy please explaine because it hasn't changed. No wounder we have to many deer in scotland.

Personally I don’t think anybody can be too pedantic where firearms are concerned, showing respect to the quarry and ensure a safe and humane kill is standard practice. Is a brief test to ensure one is safe and competent really such a bad thing ? From experience those who would have an issue with it would be the ones who are the problem.

For me it wouldn’t matter how much money somebody was offering if you can’t and won’t get the basics right there’s nothing to buy in to.

 

[blacklab3042]

I think for an organisation,Club, Estate, it would only be seen as due diligence. In the event of something unfortunate happening, i think the question would be asked of the people in charge, what did you do to check the ability, competence, accuracy, of your stalkers.

Precisely

 

[blacklab3042]

Shooting test literally would be 2 / 3 rounds into a 3 / 4 inch group at 150 - 200 yards from whatever position the stalker sees fit. Not exactly difficult.

The main point of the exercise is to ensure the stalkers rifle is set up correctly and in a serviceable condition. Also that he or she can actually hit the target and be consistent at typical hunting ranges.

 

[Happy stalker]

Shooting test literally would be 2 / 3 rounds into a 3 / 4 inch group at 150 - 200 yards from whatever position the stalker sees fit. Not exactly difficult.

The main point of the exercise is to ensure the stalkers rifle is set up correctly and in a serviceable condition. Also that he or she can actually hit the target and be consistent at typical hunting ranges.

What you are asking is standard practice and shows a level of professionalism, well done no need to justify yourself

 

[blacklab3042]

What you are asking is standard practice and shows a level of professionalism, well done no need to justify yourself

Thank you

 

[David Barker]

DSC 1 came from an older mentorship scheme by another group who still have their own training program to this day . DSC 1 has definitively changed some for the better and some for the worst , it was developed because there simply wasn't enough enough mentors and there was money involved . BASC wasn't really in the picture at that stage but soon where . DSC 2 has changed ( most) of all, I have heard tales 1 beast and allowing penned in beasts and the stalk can be replaced by getting out the 4x4 before before actually shooting the beast ! . 3 was the minimum number that you could submit previous and a lot of those folks got turned away and told to gather more knowledge. I did about half a dozen under a accredited witness ( who would not allow me to put a few others culled as he was personally against using high seats for stalking quals ) It all meant the training was " ROBUST " and the new estate pro employed stalkers don't often take level 2
The good news is estates will normally ask the shooter fires at the target no matter what certs they hold- its not an insult ! . If anyone feels insulted by the estate wanting a shooting test no matter what quals they have . The flip side is the client who can shoot just fine on the target but falls to bits on a beast . Nothings perfect !
Really if you think a test before you can go out on the deer is a put down on your ability shoot one prone , one sitting and one off hand , you risk being labelled a show off . Hope this sets things clearer
The Blades