Surrey and Sussex "Liberal" condition?

[Mike L]

Fingers crossed mate okay

 

[25 Sharps]

For West Mercia, 'Closed ' means the firearm can only be used on land deemed suitable, so it has to have been inspected by an FEO and viewed as safe for the calibre requested. However, you may also need to show the need for a calibre e.g. if the permission is only for vermin, they may only clear it for up to .223 even if it is safe for .308, because you don't need it cleared for .308 'cos you don't have permission to shoot deer! We have recently managed to get a few new permissions which has meant that our FEO is having to criss-cross half the county and peer over hedges looking for enough landscape to use as a backstop! If the land was cleared some time ago for a smaller calibre than you want to use e.g. cleared for .243 and you have a .308 (and you have permission to shoot deer there) they don't have the man power to revisit so won't reclassify the land, meaning you can't shoot there until you have an open ticket, or apply for a variation for another rifle.

Vermin isn’t good reason for .223 and the reason they won’t clear for a larger calibre is someone else has already cleared for a smaller one and if they over rule it for a bigger and something goes wring they’ll be in the sh*t.

They will generally clear for the calibre the person asks for at the time, so if you ask them to clear for .22 that’s what they’ll clear it for.

 

[Oracle]

Crikey. They're trying to simplify conditions? Then why do my Surrey/Sussex conditions look like they've poured alphabet spaghetti onto the cert?

Closed ticket, for deer when accompanied by my named mentor, or AOLQ subject to suitability of calibre, or on bought days, or as an accompanied guest, or in the company of a cert holder with the appropriate liberal condition, and zeroing on ranges or land deemed suitable by the chief

So is the word “practice” included within your condition(s)?

 

[Jh1986]

So is the word “practice” included within your condition(s)?

No, just zeroing.

 

[Oracle]

Not having a go, but have you queried why it has been omitted?

 

[Jh1986]

Not having a go, but have you queried why it has been omitted?

No, but I need to put in for a variation to add another calibre so I shall. At the end of the day practice makes you safer and more proficient so I don't get the immission

 

[Oracle]

The Quarry Shooting condition wording in the 2002 Guidance allowed only "zeroing". When it was updated in 2013 the same condition now included the wording "zeroing/practice". Those that drew up the amended 2013 Guidance; Home Office, Chief Officers and a host of other shooting organisations and stakeholders; therefore must have thought it both necessary and important to have the wording "practice" included within the new Guidance, thereby allowing certificate holders to hone their shooting skills on either suitable ranges or land. It could be argued that the omission of the word "practice" from your certificate has therefore varied the condition to such an extent that there should have been a requirement by your licensing authority to inform you of the variation in writing as required under the Firearms Act.

I fail to grasp the thought processes and decision making rationale behind all of this. It serves no purpose in ensuring any additional public safety, restricts the holders ability to use the firearm for a vital element of safe and humane quarry shooting and the omission is totally unnecessary. If you are a member of a shooting organisation, perhaps get them to lobby on your behalf.

This is micro management at its worst.