Swaro Binos - EL Range vs NL Pure

Am I right in pondering that those that use a separate RF have never used an internal RF bino?

The missed opportunities is a real and very valid point for the walking stalker perhaps not so the tree sitter as generally boredom has the sitter ranging everything in sight while waiting and there may not be a real need for the all in one.
Perhaps, I'm sure you'll find the odd person with a different preference though.

Some also have to stalk unfamiliar land at a moments notice so will never know ranges/ landmarks in advance.

Anyone calling the EL's significantly heavier should probably focus on their fitness rather than saving grams on an item that sits in an ergonomic chest holster.
 
If the difference in time between someone ranging with RF bino's and a regular RF is deemed to be the culprit of a missed opportunity for a 'longer range' shot (does anyone need to range b
I've shot plenty of deer that'd I'd not of shot without ranging first, just as they were getting up/ walking back into a woodland block/ just before they've made a dash across a fire break, a separate rf would have meant less deer on the deck for sure.
MJD across dead ground with their small kill zones deserve more than someone that reckons their 308 zeroed using a pbr method aiming dead centre as it's within 200m. Only to then call me and the dog out to search for a deer with a leg or 2 missing / broken.
Restraint when you don't have time to check your separate lrf is all well and good if you've not got targets to hit, those extra beasts sure tally up IME.
 
I have NL 10x32. Best bino I have ever used by a mile. Small, light, bright. Better than my Leica 8x56 and 10x42 both wi LRF. Better than 10x42 EL's. Best money I have spent on optic ever. No LRF which is a PITA but I would rather buy a decent hand held LRF than lug the others around up the hill. I use it all the time which is the first bino I could be bothered to take with me everywhere.

12x42 even better
 
I've shot plenty of deer that'd I'd not of shot without ranging first, just as they were getting up/ walking back into a woodland block/ just before they've made a dash across a fire break, a separate rf would have meant less deer on the deck for sure.

How far away were these deer?

Refer previous post regarding 200m and below.

If they were 300m+ away, you have enough time to dial and look what the wind was doing...?
 
No, have had both and prefer a non-RF bino.

Of course each to their own and be two of one thousand that differ.

12x42 even better

Got a mate coming down from Sydney next week and he has asked to carry my 15x56. I will write up his thoughts.
My SLC 10`s are considerably smaller and lighter than my EL RF 10`s but you would know which come with me daily.
BTW the Swaro eye 'cup' on the SLC`s when hanging below is the perfect receptacle to fill with pi$$ ha ha....I have done it several times.

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You don’t need a RF enabled set of bins for “woodland” stalking so focus on image quality and light gathering.

Correct but with a 'depending' and that is depending on the woodland`s depth and thickness of course.
Even hunting in our dense bush and looking to the 'other side' the RF is advantageous.
 
I have 10x42 el range ta's , they are amazingly clear, I think the new models are using the same glass as the nl pure's, built in RF is quick and convenient and cuts down on extra kit !.
 
How far away were these deer?

Refer previous post regarding 200m and below.

If they were 300m+ away, you have enough time to dial and look what the wind was doing...?
160, 180, 200,220, 250, 280, some in depressions / ditches/ behind windrow with only their heads showing.

If you want I can do the Maths for you based on the head of a roe or the chest of a muntjac to demonstrate the significance of a deer at 200 verses 160 or at 220 versus 180. I can also Factor in the potential cumulative error of a shooter that shoots at 1 or 2 MOA off sticks. There's plenty of people that won't group that well off sticks in the field.

Having previously run estimate the Range competitions I'd also say with some confidence that people can easily make the aforementioned errors in range and some.

Thankfully there are people who will show restraint knowing the limitations of their ability and equipment but there are plenty that will not. The chest of a big red deer he's far more forgiving than the chest of a juvenile MJD, in fact the head of a large red deer is more forgiving than the chest of a juvenile mjd.

Even with rangefinding binos or close range deer we have all missed an opportunity by a second 2 and had we got set up quicker we'd have got the result if you can get out your rangefinder accurately ping the target and put it back away in less than one/two seconds you are a better man than I sir.
 
Hi All

finally going to bite the bullet and buy some decent binos. Have narrowed down to the above following hours of (mostly US) YouTube content and reviews. Considering the NL Pure 8x32 or EL Range 8x42. Unfortunately don’t have a dealer near me to try them

my summary from YouTube would be NL pure are slightly better optically (wider field of view), a lot lighter and a lot cheaper. However having an integrated range finder would be useful and intrigued by the ballistics data. Not so bothered about the tracking assistant as not sure the distances I shoot over really near to be tagging shot game hundreds of meters away up a mountain !

my shooting mostly in wooded environments in UK

just wondered what real UK experience was and anything else I should consider E.g. are the EL Range noticeably heavy for a day out or does the 300g difference not mean much in the real world

thanks
There is a world of difference in carrying weight of the NL Pure and the EL Range bins you have narrowed your choice down to.
Different people have different attitudes toward ‘pleasure’ and ‘pain’ of course; I note too your hunting is done mostly in woodland conditions, not distant peaks for chamois, etc.

I have used and owned LRF binoculars (3 different pairs, Kahles, Swarovski, Leica), and there is no doubt but they are good binoculars, but heavy for their optical performance, which in the case of the first two is compromised by the internal design. Though I liked the Leica glasses, their bulk and additional weight did not endear them to me, so I sold them on.

You mention the ‘slight’ optical advantage in terms of wider field of view of the NL Pure - quite an understatement - everyone I’ve lent my 10x32 NL Pure glasses have been greatly impressed by the immersive and step change in greater field of view. I chose 10x over 8x because,

a) the NL glasses have such a superior wide field of view that the user is not compromising this important aspect, and

b) I’m in the habit of using a thermal image unit (as it happens with built in LRF) which can direct the user’s curiosity in the direction of any heat source to be identified, etc.

This choice of the larger magnification was somewhat counterintuitive to someone who has hitherto used 7x magnification binoculars (Zeiss Classic 7/42 and Swarovski SLC 7x30) for most of my summer stalking/guiding for the past thirty five years, primarily because of that wider field of view, and to some extent their superior depth of field, though this latter aspect is certainly the secondary consideration. Another important consideration in my choice was the ability to hold steadily the 7x and view for extended periods (whiles over 30 minutes at a stretch) scanning Heather moorland and wooded glade alike for as little as an ear or an antler of a roe. This aspect is addressed by the use of the head rest gizmo on the NL Pure glasses, and it works every bit as well as the same solution on the Swaro BTX binocular telescope. It works!

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Head rests - very helpful, in the view of this contributor.

For winter work I’ve used 8/42 Leica Trinovid in the mornings/daytime, and the Zeiss Classic 8/56 for afternoon to dusk work, when my livelihood depended upon bringing home the ‘bacon’ for my market stall customers in due course. As such, I’ve always been a great believer in using the best glass available to get the job done, and 90% of that job was/is finding the deer in its habitat, and ageing/sexing it correctly.

Upon receiving my NL Pure glasses, I checked them on a late summer evening back to back with all my other glasses (9 pairs); the colour rendition of the Zeiss 8/56 was marginally better when viewing the roe doe I’d been viewing at 800yards became impossible due to the fading light, well beyond the time (1030) when most would have already been back at the vehicle, and five minutes before I would have been still able to clearly discern the deer‘s orientation and attitude (head up or down) with the 10x32 NL Pure glasses.

Having had something of an interest in good optical performance both professionally and recreationally over my adult life, I have taken every opportunity to look through as many pairs of glasses as possible over the years as they’ve arisen, with guests and friends as well as others. As such I’ve been very fortunate, but I’ve not been easily impressed. Swarovski’s 8.5x42 EL were an eye opener, though I’ve never owned a pair; the same company’s 10x42 EL range were frankly something of a disappointment optically, though I’m sure the LRF was useful for many, to myself the deterioration in optical performance detracted from the pleasure in their using; the Leica glasses (new shape) overcame this, but at the cost of increased bulk and that incessant weight. Many others merit honourable mention, it is sure, but for me, personally speaking, your dilemma comes down to this: which colour to choose…


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His & hers, the only remaining conundrum!
 
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There is a world of difference in carrying weight of the NL Pure and the EL Range bins you have narrowed your choice down to.
Different people have different attitudes toward ‘pleasure’ and ‘pain’ of course; I note too your hunting is done mostly in woodland conditions, not distant peaks for chamois, etc.

I have used and owned LRF binoculars (3 different pairs, Kahles, Swarovski, Leica), and there is no doubt but they are good binoculars, but heavy for their optical performance, which in the case of the first two is compromised by the internal design. Though I liked the Leica glasses, their bulk and additional weight did not endear them to me, so I sold them on.

You mention the ‘slight’ optical advantage in terms of wider field of view of the NL Pure - quite an understatement - everyone I’ve lent my 10x32 NL Pure glasses have been greatly impressed by the immersive and step change in greater field of view. I chose 10x over 8x because,

a) the NL glasses have such a superior wide field of view that the user is not compromising this important aspect, and

b) I’m in the habit of using a thermal image unit (as it happens with built in LRF) which can direct the user’s curiosity in the direction of any heat source to be identified, etc.

This choice of the larger magnification was somewhat counterintuitive to someone who has hitherto used 7x magnification binoculars (Zeiss Classic 7/42 and Swarovski SLC 7x30) for most of my summer stalking/guiding for the past thirty five years, primarily because of that wider field of view, and to some extent their superior depth of field, though this latter aspect is certainly the secondary consideration. Another important consideration in my choice was the ability to hold steadily the 7x and view for extended periods (whiles over 30 minutes at a stretch) scanning Heather moorland and wooded glade alike for as little as an ear or an antler of a roe. This aspect is addressed by the use of the head rest gizmo on the NL Pure glasses, and it works every bit as well as the same solution on the Swaro BTX binocular telescope. It works!

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Head rests - very helpful, in the view of this contributor.

For winter work I’ve used 8/42 Leica Trinovid in the mornings/daytime, and the Zeiss Classic 8/56 for afternoon to dusk work, when my livelihood depended upon bringing home the ‘bacon’ for my market stall customers in due course. As such, I’ve always been a great believer in using the best glass available to get the job done, and 90% of that job was/is finding the deer in its habitat, and ageing/sexing it correctly.

Upon receiving my NL Pure glasses, I checked them on a late summer evening back to back with all my other glasses (9 pairs); the colour rendition of the Zeiss 8/56 was marginally better when viewing the roe doe I’d been viewing at 800yards became impossible due to the fading light, well beyond the time (1030) when most would have already been back at the vehicle, and five minutes before I would have been still able to clearly discern the deer‘s orientation and attitude (head up or down) with the 10x32 NL Pure glasses.

Having had something of an interest in good optical performance both professionally and recreationally over my adult life, I have taken every opportunity to look through as many pairs of glasses as possible over the years as they’ve arisen, with guests and friends as well as others. As such I’ve been very fortunate, but I’ve not been easily impressed. Swarovski’s 8.5x42 EL were an eye opener, though I’ve never owned a pair; the same company’s 10x42 EL range were frankly something of a disappointment optically, though I’m sure the LRF was useful for many, to myself the deterioration in optical performance detracted from the pleasure in their using; the Leica glasses (new shape) overcame this, but at the cost of increased bulk and that incessant weight. Many others merit honourable mention, it is sure, but for me, personally speaking, your dilemma comes down to this: which colour to choose…


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His & hers, the only remaining conundrum!
great advice thank you. Guys this really is gold dust for me - thanks to everyone who has contributed whatever your views are as I think the answer is becoming clearer for my needs and I do t want to get this wrong given cost
 
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great advice thank you. Guys this really is gold dust for me - thanks to everyone who has contributed whatever your views are as I think the answer is becoming clearer for my needs and I do t want to get this wrong given cost
A decent stockist is worth visiting for such a lasting and not inconsiderable investment (ie don’t do what I did and get lucky!), there you should be able to try for some time the one against the other, to ‘feel the heft’ around one’s neck, etc, and make that most personal choice. Good luck and good hunting!
 
Am I right in pondering that those that use a separate RF have never used an internal RF bino?

The missed opportunities is a real and very valid point for the walking stalker perhaps not so the tree sitter as generally boredom has the sitter ranging everything in sight while waiting and there may not be a real need for the all in one.
No, had the EL range, most of my stalking is walk and stalk, I found that I was pinging everything all the time, even birds and theres a slight but noticeable lack of performance with the range models compared to the standard.
I don’t miss them and have no plans to replace them.
 
I have the EL 8x42 Range, I chose them over the NL due one reason only. I didn't fancy carrying any more kit than needed and as I use a thermal spotter the Range Finder was a no go so hence the range choice.

If you're limited to woodland with every potential shot less than 200m then that's a different ballgame; but you may one day start more field / hill stalking in which case the Range binos come into their own.
 
What were the tests? Newspaper pages at 100 yards?
No, looking at the same thing at various times and distances. The 8x32’s always showed up better, I don’t know why but it wasn’t just me that noticed it, so I still have them.
The Range went, too big and too heavy anyway, but the limited warranty on the electronics was the big killer for me.
 
Right thanks again all think I am going NL 10x32. Managed a trip to a dealer and thought the ranges were fantastic but significantly heavier and wasn’t sure for my needs (woodland less than 200m shots generally) the LRF was worth the weight and cost. However, I totally see why people on here love them if you are doing more open fields and more adventurous stuff abroad (which I am not … for now!). Great input and I hope to return the advice at some point to others when they are thinking about buying some of the stuff I have experience of
 
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