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Klenchblaize said:
Slightly off topic, but then I've already made clear my feelings in the matter of banning things. Nor will I speculate on shooter motive.

What additionally shocked me is how singularly out of touch I am with the reality of living 'conditions' within Sweden in 2025!

To be confronted with a reality that this once most attractive Country may no longer be considered a model of clean living in terms of both person and place has hit me very hard.

Where the hell has it all gone so very, very wrong within Swdesish Society?

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Have you been sniffing the leather glue? Sweden still is a very attractive and in the main peaceful country. Driving round and about litter is noticeable by its absence.
Why would what goes on in Sweden hit you hard? It would perhaps be better to turn your thoughts and worries towards the state of the UK at the moment.
I understand that you have a few stabbings and shootings in the UK to ponder over.
Soon the shooting ranges will be open again after the winter. I'll be up the town range or perhaps go to the range in a neighbouring town and shoot there. How's access to a shooting range in the UK?
Perhaps I'll take up pistol shooting again. How's pistol shooting sport going in the UK?
Or maybe I'll buy myself a self loading rifle to hunt with.
For the vast majority of the Swedish population life is just fine.
 
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Rake Aboot said:
Absolutely amazed at the anti shooting rhetoric shown in this thread.
Are we infiltrated by antis ?

Illegally held pistols are less of a problem than legally held ones were ?
Astonishing, astonishingly stupid that is .
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Anti shooting rhetoric? I assume you are referring to my post, if not then apologies.
I love shooting, I have shot since I was a boy. Both my children shoot, rifle and shotgun, it is a massive part of our lives.
Unfortunately the biggest reforms in firearms licensing have been bought about, not by illegally held firearms, but by licensed firearms held by licensed individuals.
I am sorry if that is a bitter pill to swallow for some on here but it is a fact.
If you can reference one mass shooting in the UK committed by somebody using an illegal firearm then please do because I can’t recall any.
I love shooting, but I love my family returning safe at the end of each day more. And if that means people not having access to handguns and semi automatic rifles to practice their tactical double taps down the local range then so be it.
 
carlisleredneck said:
Anti shooting rhetoric? I assume you are referring to my post, if not then apologies.
I love shooting, I have shot since I was a boy. Both my children shoot, rifle and shotgun, it is a massive part of our lives.
Unfortunately the biggest reforms in firearms licensing have been bought about, not by illegally held firearms, but by licensed firearms held by licensed individuals.
I am sorry if that is a bitter pill to swallow for some on here but it is a fact.
If you can reference one mass shooting in the UK committed by somebody using an illegal firearm then please do because I can’t recall any.
I love shooting, but I love my family returning safe at the end of each day more. And if that means people not having access to handguns and semi automatic rifles to practice their tactical double taps down the local range then so be it.
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So what is the statistic % from 57,000 licensed pistol shooters and one of them goes amok?
Compare that to a young driver getting p!ssed and killing a pedestrian with their car or just ramming it into a tree/wall as happened last week taking three others with him.
Do you allow your kids out on the streets? Or only to play in your garden if you have one as seems to be the new normal.
Or while one copper is bent so we punish the whole force as a solution?
 
Bavarianbrit said:
So what is the statistic % from 57,000 licensed pistol shooters and one of them goes amok?
Compare that to a young driver getting p!ssed and killing a pedestrian with their car or just ramming it into a tree/wall as happened last week taking three others with him.
Do you allow your kids out on the streets? Or only to play in your garden if you have one as seems to be the new normal.
Or while one copper is bent so we punish the whole force as a solution?
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I’ve got quite a big garden thanks, not sure how relevant that is to the conversation but never mind.
Compare the number of cars on the road to the number of intentional killings they are used in. Accidents happen unfortunately, ****ed up drivers are nothing new, but very few would intentionally get in the car to kill people.
So to counter your argument, how many lives would have to be lost before we started looking at changing the firearms laws?
 
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Bavarianbrit said:
I see your perspective is set in stone. Why do you even shoot? Or do you?
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I shoot because I enjoy it. Pistols and semi automatic rifles have been banned for decades now. And unlike some I can see the reasoning behind it. I shoot clay, game, rough, vermin and stalk deer as it happens. So the current firearms legislation works ok for me. Obviously not being able to dress up in tactical black kit and have a Glock strapped you your leg has effected a few on here quite badly. Maybe it’s just time to get over it 👍
 
carlisleredneck said:
I shoot because I enjoy it. Pistols and semi automatic rifles have been banned for decades now. And unlike some I can see the reasoning behind it. I shoot clay, game, rough, vermin and stalk deer as it happens. So the current firearms legislation works ok for me. Obviously not being able to dress up in tactical black kit and have a Glock strapped you your leg has effected a few on here quite badly. Maybe it’s just time to get over it 👍
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I think that’s a pretty **** attitude to have towards gun ownership and shooting.
 
carlisleredneck said:
It did happen, that’s why they were banned. Now imagine Derek Bird with pistols, loads of ammo and extended magazines, rather than a double barrel shotgun and a bolt action .22. I am not debating guns don’t kill people, people kill people. But if somebody goes off the rails, easily concealed high capacity semi automatic pistols are more of a problem than the old side by side in the cabinet.
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Bird could have easily killed many with pointed or edged weapons or his own vehicle

The delivery system he chose was firearms

Had they not been available he was of the mindset to kill and would possibly have used other means to do so

legislation to ban is not the way forward

Hamilton, Bird, Ryan and the Southampton killer all had mental health issues that had not been addressed by licencing / doctor checks

This is the key
 
I believe Bird is the only one that came as the “surprise”. All of the other spree shootings by certificate holders would have been prevented if the laws had been applied properly in those cases…
 
Facts. Sweden added AR style weapon into legal 2023. Now government is reversing that desicion i.e. back to as before 2023. In 2023 there was a heated debate about AR style weapons and many, if not most, hunters were against AR on the hunting grounds.
The madman i Örebro actually used a Browning Bar 30:06 and not AR type but also (probably) an altered semi shotgun Mossberg with slugs and 5 shots.

Big problem in this matter is that people may change their personal life situation and mental disorder may appear some 40 years after gun licencens were issued. Perhaps renewable licences will be needed every 5-10 years.
 
The ban on handguns after the Dunblane massacre was a political knee jerk reaction. Lord Cullen did not actually recommend this, but Blair imposed it anyway.

Having said that... democratic governments are political animals by their nature, and Blair felt he had to do something tangible to satisfy what the public demanded.

When Prince Philip said in a radio interview about Dunblane that a ban on firearms won't stop a madman from entering a school and battering children to death with a club or a bat (or words to that effect), this didn't go down well with the British public - in spite of the fact that what he said was true (well, he had a life-long habbit of speaking his mind).

I suspect that, similarly, the Swedish government understands that the public want to see by way of response, something that they can understand.

Ultimately, much of these type of decisions is about visibility rather than practicality or effectiveness.
 
Ronin said:
Bird could have easily killed many with pointed or edged weapons or his own vehicle

The delivery system he chose was firearms

Had they not been available he was of the mindset to kill and would possibly have used other means to do so

legislation to ban is not the way forward

Hamilton, Bird, Ryan and the Southampton killer all had mental health issues that had not been addressed by licencing / doctor checks

This is the key
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Could have, but didn’t, He used firearms, as they all did. I am not in favour of any further restrictions on firearm ownership. The pistols and semi autos were banned years ago, and the aren’t coming back. The government obviously viewed those types of firearms as more of a public risk than the type used by bird or they would have banned those aswell.
 
carlisleredneck said:
Could have, but didn’t, He used firearms, as they all did. I am not in favour of any further restrictions on firearm ownership. The pistols and semi autos were banned years ago, and the aren’t coming back. The government obviously viewed those types of firearms as more of a public risk than the type used by bird or they would have banned those aswell.
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The argument against handguns was that they are easily concealable. That's why 12" barrel LBPs are still permitted.
 
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