Teckels - The Good, the bad and the ugly

[Keith Edmunds]

Wondering how they are progressing, any signs they will gel as a pair?, or will there need to be a little "Distance" tween?

Too early to say tbh, they are all having rough and tumble play fights that get a little rough sometimes but they are only now learning how hard they can bite each other with needle teeth and get away with it.
Ideally you want one to turn out dominant over the other - so that they find their on hierarchy within the canine part of the pack with you humans - of course - always being on top.

Here ya go Steve, a pic from 5 minutes ago. Blue was 3.2kg and Purple 3.1kg yesterday

 

[finnbear270]

Tidy!!! Humans on TOP?????

 

[Keith Edmunds]

When that happens, how do you stop it crossing your boundary and simply becoming yet another out-of-control dog loose in the countryside?
There seems to be a considerable contrast in opinion about what constitutes acceptable dog behaviour between some of the posts in the current thread, and posts in this one:

Idiots that own dogs.

As usual out stalking yesterday and pulled up to glass some ground. We could see the back of an animal over a rise in the ground so waited a while to see what it was. Not long and a big red dog came into view pulling a Muntjac about. This was happening half a mile from an FC wood and 200 yds...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

One rule for us, one rule for them?

The other difference VSS is that a teckel will never catch up with a healthy deer or hare. If a teckel is trailing a muntjac through a wood you will see the deer and hear 'yip yip yip' in the distance. A few minutes after you saw the munty - you will see the teckel. I have seen this many times with hares and it is the best way to know your dog has a great nose - a dog that can follow a hare trail accurately a few minutes after the hare has done the circuit, will have the ability to track wounded deer/boar that will give off a huge amount more scent and ground disturbance.

 

[lambsey]

Great post.. mines a kin terrorist…so bloody stubborn most days

 

[Cranhill]

Great result - a proper worker and a handsome devil to boot...........The dog not you.

His son is doing pretty good too I believe

This is Coco in her prime (2015) perfectly happy with me in a high seat, her son Trigger is not a happy bunny in high seat, so now stays at ground level.

 

[NoIDeer]

Thats teckals for you. Its what teckles do. They are not gun dogs but hunting dogs. Let them loose and away they go. Too slow? Thats the thing with teckal they are meant to be slow and why they are not built like a grey hound. Try hunting roe with a single teckle. Great fun and the roe don't get stressed. It also teaches you a lot about roe behavior. Reading some of the posts on here it seems people have got the wrong expectations of what a teckle is for. If you want a stalking companion that will walk to heal, you can forget that. It must be a right pain to stalk with a dog on a lead whilst stalking. If you want a dog to move deer out of cover with little stress then a teckle is just right.
I'll repeat again. A teckle MUST LOVE YOU. If it only tolerates you then you will have a lot of disappointment owning one.

This ^^^ . When I get brave we must try the roe stalking.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks for all the replies, a very interesting and helpful thread.

Just goes to show what a great little breed the teckel is and how diverse they can be in the countryside.

Please feel free to continue to add to the thread so that we can continue to develop our knowledge

Thanks again.

 

[wytonpjs]

This is Coco in her prime (2015) perfectly happy with me in a high seat.View attachment 244053

Mine at the weekend - but they were 5 hour stints

 

[finnbear270]

Otto and Franz are now being re named ... Ronnie and Reggie. Arthur the full size Greyhound has sought shelter.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

A little bit of basic obedience in the field.............

Ginger von den Konigstannen aka 'Bella'



Kross Hunter z Czarnej Ciemiegi aka 'Hunter' with owner Bartosz Wlodarczyk

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Kross Hunter z Czarnej Ciemiegi aka 'Hunter' retrieving mallard to owner Bartosz Wlodarczyk

 

[Rebel]

A little bit of basic obedience in the field.............

Ginger von den Konigstannen aka 'Bella'



Kross Hunter z Czarnej Ciemiegi aka 'Hunter' with owner Bartosz Wlodarczyk

very impressive Keith, it must take a lot of time, effort and expertise to develop that level of obedience. I'd imagine the patience of a Saint would also be an essential requirement.

Can this level of training and obedience impact on the natural hunting instinct, drive and determination of the teckel? Is there a danger that the dog is always looking to its owner for commands and permission to do what it's instincts are telling it to do?

Also I suppose it depends on what you require your teckel and it's job as to what level of training and obedience is needed?

I know its hard to generalise, but I'd be interested in hearing all of your views.

Thanks

 

[Keith Edmunds]

very impressive Keith, it must take a lot of time, effort and expertise to develop that level of obedience. I'd imagine the patience of a Saint would also be an essential requirement.

Can this level of training and obedience impact on the natural hunting instinct, drive and determination of the teckel? Is there a danger that the dog is always looking to its owner for commands and permission to do what it's instincts are telling it to do?

Also I suppose it depends on what you require your teckel and it's job as to what level of training and obedience is needed?

I know its hard to generalise, but I'd be interested in hearing all of your views.

Thanks

Regarding 'Bella' and all of my own teckels......The natural instinct and drive (sadly) always outweighs the level of obedience if the desire is strong enough.

When I put any obedience videos up many people ask..."Do they hunt?"...or "I would rather see videos of hunting".....Well, when they are not 'under control'...they are hunting - there is no middle ground, very rarely 'just going for a walk'. That is part of the trade-off.

 

[Rebel]

Regarding 'Bella' and all of my own teckels......The natural instinct and drive (sadly) always outweighs the level of obedience if the desire is strong enough.

When I put any obedience videos up many people ask..."Do they hunt?"...or "I would rather see videos of hunting".....Well, when they are not 'under control'...they are hunting - there is no middle ground, very rarely 'just going for a walk'. That is part of the trade-off.

thanks Keith.

and always when you are in a rush as welI, I bet.

It could be worse though, I'd prefer to see them gone than standing at my feet and looking up into my face

 

[Keith Edmunds]

thanks Keith.

and always when you are in a rush as welI, I bet.

It could be worse though, I'd prefer to see them gone than standing at my feet and looking up into my face

I can keep them from hunting on an off-lead walk, but only by keeping them under control - regular recall, sit/stay. They can never be 'at ease' so to speak, as they would then find something to hunt. All of my walks are on farmland so we have a lot of temptation.

I would stress that this is with dogs that have been allowed to enjoy (relish!) in above ground hunting. If you were training a puppy purely for deer-tracking and never let it enjoy hunting then the scenario would be very different.

My wife's Italian import 'Mia' is 1-yr-old and has not been allowed the pleasure of hunting. Her recall is first class and she will not hunt ( and I mean properly hunt, not just popping in a hedge) when on off-lead walks around the farm. She is destined to be a 'country companion' type and despite her being 100% working bred, albeit from softer lines, she is an absolute joy to walk off-lead. That is the result of 8 months training by my wife (the pup came over at 4 months) and 8 months of avoiding temptation at all cost.

 

[Ratel]

I'm afraid my little import has only one thought in mind (or three). Hunt it, find it, attack it HFA. She loves playing with other dogs around the steadings, but when in a field it's nose down and hunt it.
Stalking today, doe shot out on a field, so at distance with wind in our face, release 12 month old HFA dog. Results in photo format. She does exactly what I require at the time, at other times exactly what she requires.

 

[finnbear270]

Keith, Vets for top up jabs on Tuesday last, Otto weighed in @ 5.26 Kilo's, & Franz was 5.27 Kilo's, Just fed them their top up worm tabs, both good as gold straight down.

 

[pendle]

Keith, Vets for top up jabs on Tuesday last, Otto weighed in @ 5.26 Kilo's, & Franz was 5.27 Kilo's, Just fed them their top up worm tabs, both good as gold straight down.

Hi Steve any pictures of Reggie and Ronnie

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Keith, Vets for top up jabs on Tuesday last, Otto weighed in @ 5.26 Kilo's, & Franz was 5.27 Kilo's, Just fed them their top up worm tabs, both good as gold straight down.

Great stuff - go on....show us some pics

 

[finnbear270]

Have to be later guys, They are back on charge.