The Aftermath of Cecil the Lion

[Cootmeurer]

Seems that the antis may have won the battle, and now the lions are going to lose the war. I wonder if the animal lovers are going to make up the lost revenue and pay for relocating the excess cats??


From Zimbabwe Park to Cull 200 Lions, Cites Lack of Hunters - OutdoorHub

"Hunters traditionally helped to keep lion numbers in check, as well as bringing a much needed financial boost to the park. However, officials are now blaming something they call the “Cecil effect” for the lack of hunters. In 2015, the hunting of a black-maned lion named Cecil by an American dentist, Walter Palmer, drew international outrage after the Zimbabwe government accused Palmer of poaching. The charges were later dropped, but activist groups continued to target big game hunters in Africa and urged many governments, including Zimbabwe, to close their borders to hunters. This is despite the fact that many conservationists have long agreed that hunters are needed to not only manage wildlife populations, but also provide the funds to protect the same species they hunt."

 

[alberta boy]

I won't be surprised when there is an increase in illegal kills and a drop in lion numbers , the anti's will learn the meaning of the saying , be careful what you wish for .

AB

 

[baguio]

Totally predictable and will come as a surprise to few on here!

 

[NorthDorset]

Sad but predictable. Conservation will feel the breeze for years to come.

 

[375win]

I may be completely wrong but a point which is often missing in big 5 discussions is that such hunts are the prerogative of the very wealthy. Conservation as pushed by the antis has large groundswell support from those of modest means. There is an element of class war somewhere in the mixture. As long as lion conrol relies on rich recreational hunters, I expect it will not gain much favour in public opinion. I feel sorry for the beast, not sure about the other stakeholders.

 

[deerpath]

I believe lion skins to full mounts can no longer be imported into the US so there is less incentive to come with big bucks to hunt them sadly.

 

[Conure]

Wake up and smell the coffee! It will never be the antis fault ........................... never it will always be someone elses or maybe even the man in the moons fault but NEVER the antis.

A lot of the antis do not care what the outcome is just as long as they get something banned and then feeling all pleased with themselves they will look for the next target to hit and get banned and so on. Look what they did with the Mink farming released the Mink and condemned the Water Vole to extinction but Oh no not their fault it was some one elses.

 

[tusker]

I won't be surprised when there is an increase in illegal kills and a drop in lion numbers , the anti's will learn the meaning of the saying , be careful what you wish for .

AB

Absolutly not, the anti,s would rather the extinction of the species rather than have folks hunt them. It is not about animal welfare , its about controlling other humans
Tusker

 

[Cootmeurer]

I may be completely wrong but a point which is often missing in big 5 discussions is that such hunts are the prerogative of the very wealthy. Conservation as pushed by the antis has large groundswell support from those of modest means. There is an element of class war somewhere in the mixture.......

i suspect you are quite correct. We recently had a big "expose" about a rich young man by the name of Trump that spent a lot of time hunting on Africa. Regardless of what one may think of his father, the son spends a lot of money in Africa, and it probably does more good than the antis buying organic fair trade trinkets from a village.

 

[Southern]

You are all so right; for the anti-hunters, it is all about themselves: making themselves feel important and grand, getting back at the people they envy. They are bomb throwers. They rush up to some event, try to make it into a scandal, name victims and villains, propose "solutions" without any knowledge or forethought, then off to the coffee house for a break before the next "outrage".

You will never hear them criticize the poaching or devastating farming practices of the natives. And every traveling hunter must be rich, greedy businessman if from America, a heir if from the UK. These self-described "liberals" are intolerant bigots on almost ever area of life, and minding things which are none of their business is a distraction from their personal shortcomings.

I do wish there were more hunters who were not obsessed with trophies, but they are not that many who act on it, so it is not a social problem. The fact is that all wild animal populations need to be controlled by man, or there will be huge cycles of population increases, then starvation and disease to cut the numbers. These anti-hunters would rather poison these 200 lions than let 200 hunters put millions into the local economies and actually help "the poor" whom they claim to so love.

 

[tusker]

You are all so right; for the anti-hunters, it is all about themselves: making themselves feel important and grand, getting back at the people they envy. They are bomb throwers. They rush up to some event, try to make it into a scandal, name victims and villains, propose "solutions" without any knowledge or forethought, then off to the coffee house for a break before the next "outrage".

You will never hear them criticize the poaching or devastating farming practices of the natives. And every traveling hunter must be rich, greedy businessman if from America, a heir if from the UK. These self-described "liberals" are intolerant bigots on almost ever area of life, and minding things which are none of their business is a distraction from their personal shortcomings.

I do wish there were more hunters who were not obsessed with trophies, but they are not that many who act on it, so it is not a social problem. The fact is that all wild animal populations need to be controlled by man, or there will be huge cycles of population increases, then starvation and disease to cut the numbers. These anti-hunters would rather poison these 200 lions than let 200 hunters put millions into the local economies and actually help "the poor" whom they claim to so love.

Well said Southern.
Tusker

 

[Muir]

I have a friend who has been saving all of his 30 working life for a hunting trip to Africa. He is far from wealthy and would not be taking any one of the big five: just plains game. He has cancelled his plans. The Cecil BS helped douse the flame.~Muir

 

[tozzybum]

Totally agree the antis dont give a ----- for the animals ,rent a mob ban something and move on.They ban fox hunting as a Labour class war trip then look to ban ,Wildfowling with lead DONE,ban Mink farms oops ,1000,s of mink freed to devastate the midlands eco-system by animal rights plonkers.Doesnt matter the non native mink are slaughtering the local wildlife they dont care .Now all those Lions will be culled to remove the surplus but the antis dont give two figs as people arent going to pay to shoot them .Think how much money has been lost to the local impoverished economy of Zimbabwe ,oh hang thats it they dont think

 

[enfieldspares]

When I was a school we were taight what was 'antithesis', 'hyperbole', 'irony' and etc. by learning liitle phrases that were examples of such. For an 'oxymoron' we learned this:

'The Puritans banned bear-bating. Not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the onlookers'.

Seems Cecil has become today's bear...

 

[Cootmeurer]

This brings up a totally different thought. I have never had a desire to shoot a lion, but I wonder if there are some bargain basement hunts available right now?

Wouldnt that hat be brutal irony for the antis?

 

[tozzybum]

The irony is them in their leather dr Martin boots and their combat trousers held up by their leather belts ,keeping their giro in their leather handbag or wallet ,Hypocritical bunch of toerags

 

[stubear]

You are all so right; for the anti-hunters, it is all about themselves: making themselves feel important and grand, getting back at the people they envy. They are bomb throwers. They rush up to some event, try to make it into a scandal, name victims and villains, propose "solutions" without any knowledge or forethought, then off to the coffee house for a break before the next "outrage".

You will never hear them criticize the poaching or devastating farming practices of the natives. And every traveling hunter must be rich, greedy businessman if from America, a heir if from the UK. These self-described "liberals" are intolerant bigots on almost ever area of life, and minding things which are none of their business is a distraction from their personal shortcomings.

I do wish there were more hunters who were not obsessed with trophies, but they are not that many who act on it, so it is not a social problem. The fact is that all wild animal populations need to be controlled by man, or there will be huge cycles of population increases, then starvation and disease to cut the numbers. These anti-hunters would rather poison these 200 lions than let 200 hunters put millions into the local economies and actually help "the poor" whom they claim to so love.

^^ This.

So spot on it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

And I totally agree that the modern liberalism is actually massively intolerant if you don't subscribe to their status-quo.

 

[Venture South]

Make no mistake, the battle is far from lost.
What the antis forget is that dangerous game is just that, dangerous. And as such comes into conflict with man.

They may stop imports of specific countries, but these lions will die.

The question is, do they die in limited and sustainable numbers, or do they die in mass when people start to poison them.

We are still hunting lions and will never stop, as there are always going to be conflicts that need a resolution.
Those of you in countries still allowing import should go now, as your rights are being infringed by the mindless antis as we speak.

 

[Southern]

This brings up a totally different thought. I have never had a desire to shoot a lion, but I wonder if there are some bargain basement hunts available right now?

Wouldnt that hat be brutal irony for the antis?

There already are cheap hunts for dangerous game. Always have been. You just need the contacts. A friend of mine, a former PH in Africa, has close relatives still there who are gamekeepers ( wardens ), who must deal with lions, buffalo, leopards, crocodiles and elephants repeatedly killing livestock and people. So my friend goes back about every two years and hunts with him, tracking these troublemakers. I have had to pass up two lion hunts due to an injury and to work commitments, but am itching to go with him if I get another invitation. I would get more out of tracking a single lion for a week than just shooting a big trophy while it yawned.

For a good example of Disneyland Denial, read Peter Beard's account of going after the crocodile who eats a Peace Corps worker.

 

[nun_hunter]

Make no mistake, the battle is far from lost.
What the antis forget is that dangerous game is just that, dangerous. And as such comes into conflict with man.

They may stop imports of specific countries, but these lions will die.

The question is, do they die in limited and sustainable numbers, or do they die in mass when people start to poison them.

We are still hunting lions and will never stop, as there are always going to be conflicts that need a resolution.
Those of you in countries still allowing import should go now, as your rights are being infringed by the mindless antis as we speak.

The problem with the antis is that they'll argue that these 200 lions have sacrificed their lives to protect the many thousands that would have been bred and hunted in the future. They don't care that 200 lions will be killed, just as long as "rich posh folk" don't get to enjoy doing it.