The most depressing thread ever.

[Stalker62]

what I do find funny is some, not all, will have a drink while on a driven day etc and think nothing of it...in my mind thats also not sensible behaviour. I wouldnt even drink the night before if im due out with a shotgun/firearm

You will be hard-pressed to find a shoot that does not pass around a bottle of sloe gin and fizz at 11s.

It is all about moderation. Once of the reasons I never enjoyed Beating after the Guns had stopped for a long 'lunch'.

On our "Shoot Meal" we shoot through. Guns away, meal and drinks, port, brandy and comedy cigars. Then non-drinking partners/nominated/Uber/Taxi home.

In relation to Stalking. I too will not drink the day before I deploy; and that is because I am out at silly o'clock at need to be sure there is nothing in my system.

I am currently not stalking. I am playing Nurse to MrsS62 - and so the rifle stays locked away.

Have just done another "Click & Collect" and God love her, there is a bottle of Whisky in amongst the week's shop.

Other then preparing her her HelloFresh meal this evening, my chores for the day are done.

So, no rifle, no shotgun, no more driving today and no driving tomorrow...cheers.

 

[Stalker62]

And if he had fallen down, & knocked his head? I'm actually quite a big guy, but yes discretionary policing used to be a wonderful thing.

If your intention had been to protect the life of another (or yourself) then you are golden.

I know, that sounds glib, it is not meant to be and I applaud your for your restraint.


When I was a sixteen year old, back in 1888, I saw a man assaulting a woman (it was just after last orders) and I was at my girlfriend's gate on the other side of the road.

I ran over and put him on his arse. When I was standing over him, reading him his future I learned a very important lesson about life.

His girlfriend/wife/partner jumped on my back and started to beat the crap out of me...

Yeah. Domestics...

 

[TH4]

Having worked for the Met for over 30 years (two stints in Internal Affairs), believe me when I say I do not have a prescription for "Rose coloured (sic) glasses".

What I do have is a sense of proportion. There are some bad Police Officers. There are some very bad Police Officers. I know this. Everyone knows this.

It is my experience that most are decent, hardworking and honest. I do not damn them. I damn the dishonest criminals in the ranks.

So, let us get onto specifics.

You said, "There are many serving police officers that have worse records than this guys."

I will repeat my question to you. How many? Who are they? Where are they? What is being done to root them out?

Which serving Police Officer do you know, has a conviction for both Drink and Drug driving?

It is a bold claim. It may even be true. So, who is it?

If you have real examples then knock yourself out and post about them, it will make you feel better.

However, if it is just another "Police bashing" exercise then I feel for you.

Thanks to a short PM dialogue you and I have had, I have some understanding of your fantastic tale, which may go some way to explaining your position in regards to how you feel about the Police. Fair enough - just acknowledge that not all of them are bad.

Why, I would wager that even some of your friends are Police Officers...


NB

For the avoidance of confusion and to show equality, please feel free to remove the word "Police" and insert any (any) other profession/trade/job/calling.

A lot of my friends are police officers many still serving in the met. I have never said all police officers are corrupt but there are a lot that are and if you check the freedom of information requests made to the met concerning serving officers with criminal convictions you will see just how many there are and the crimes they committed. I am sure you are capable of googling that. You seem to take any condemnation of the corrupt officers out there as a personal insult and I wonder why as I would have assumed that a straight officer would be glad to see people condemning the bad ones. Good luck to all serving straight police officers they do a stirling job and I have and will continue to take many of them stalking for but I am not so naive as to think all coppers are honest.
The point of the original post which seems to have escaped you is that people are telling the guy that he is not to be trusted because of his record but they ignore the fact that there are people such as police officers in a position of trust that have records as bad or worse.

 

[Dunwaters]

Thank you all for the comments and input, enlightening to say the least, and apologies if the analogy linking civvy risky behaviour to war time exploits caused any offence.
If the only people that are to issued with FAC’s are people that have never done anything wrong or made a poor decision, we are going to be dealing with a very small pool of applicants, I’ve not been charged with it, but I now know for a fact that my last investment in Leopardstown races was a complete waste of money. A very poor decision for which I accept full responsibility.
I’m already doing the penance, a daughter ratted me out…

 

[Fair Hill]

I hope MrsS62 is not seriously ill and makes a full speedy recovery, reading your write up from a holiday on an island a couple of months ago she sounded like a hardy, very fit lady.

 

[Stalker62]

A lot of my friends are police officers many still serving in the met.

I am delighted to hear that. I imagine you would be good company in a bar.

You seem to take any condemnation of the corrupt officers out there as a personal insult and I wonder why as I would have assumed that a straight officer would be glad to see people condemning the bad ones.

To be clear on this point: - I support, and encourage the condemnation, investigation, prosecution and imprisonment of all corrupt Police Officers.

Why do I do that? Because it would be insanity to do otherwise.

Good luck to all serving straight police officers they do a stirling job and I have and will continue to take many of them stalking.

They will be grateful for your support and mentoring with the stalking.

for but I am not so naive as to think all coppers are honest.

No. Neither am I.

The point of the original post which seems to have escaped you is that people are telling the guy that he is not to be trusted because of his record but they ignore the fact that there are people such as police officers in a position of trust that have records as bad or worse.

Your point has not escaped me. I just asked you for evidence of your assertion.

Apropos this.

I make a point of logging onto the MPS (and other Constabulary sites) each week, to see who is getting sacked and for what. It gives me a warm glow to see the drive for a better Police continues apace.

 

[Herb64]

Would anyone who is defending or saying this poster has been unfairly treated here be a referee if asked, and obviously they fitted the criteria, or do similar for any other close friend or colleague. I certainly wouldn’t whatever they said about being a reformed character.

 

[TH4]

I am delighted to hear that. I imagine you would be good company in a bar.

To be clear on this point: - I support, and encourage the condemnation, investigation, prosecution and imprisonment of all corrupt Police Officers.

Why do I do that? Because it would be insanity to do otherwise.

They will be grateful for your support and mentoring with the stalking.

No. Neither am I.

Your point has not escaped me. I just asked you for evidence of your assertion.

Apropos this.

I make a point of logging onto the MPS (and other Constabulary sites) each week, to see who is getting sacked and for what. It gives me a warm glow to see the drive for a better Police continues apace.

With any degree of luck they will get rid of all the bad ones and the public will be able to have 100% faith in them again.

 

[Klenchblaize]

“Hobby”??

K

 

[TH4]

Would anyone who is defending or saying this poster has been unfairly treated here be a referee if asked, and obviously they fitted the criteria, or do similar for any other close friend or colleague. I certainly wouldn’t whatever they said about being a reformed character.

How can anyone answer that without knowing the chap and his present circumstances. People change and I am not saying he should be issued with an fac at the moment just that people grow up and people change. They should not pay for it for the rest of their lives. That is why I advised him to talk to his local firearms department and see how long they suggest he wait before applying rather than apply and get a refusal.

 

[User00053]

Think the person concerned has made it very difficult for any fair minded person with family mortgage and career to grant certificates given been caught and convicted, unless has Allies in very high places including god and the pope.
Clearly am no angel, but given he was caught and convicted got to be a no from me given the circumstances.

 

[Pedro]

Really?

How many?

Judgemental? The best case of irony I have read all week.

A conviction for drink driving for a cop these days means dismissal.

 

[Herb64]

How can anyone answer that without knowing the chap and his present circumstances. People change and I am not saying he should be issued with an fac at the moment just that people grow up and people change. They should not pay for it for the rest of their lives. That is why I advised him to talk to his local firearms department and see how long they suggest he wait before applying rather than apply and get a refusal.

Which is why I added....... or do similar for any other close friend or colleague...... 2 similar offences within a fairly short time wouldn’t see me helping with any application. Good advice you offer and the OP would be advised to follow it.

 

[Stalker62]

A conviction for drink driving for a cop these days means dismissal.

It is a matter of record.

When I joined - just before the last ice age, both my Superintendent and Chief Superintendent were convicted Drink Drivers.

I think the 'going rate' for such a conviction was "Words of Advice" or "Admonishment".

Times have moved on, society has evolved, and dragged the Police with it; and it is the case that a conviction for drink driving will now lead to 'instant dismissal'. It is harsh, but it cannot be any other way.

Everyone knows the rules. Everyone knows the consequences.

 

[TH4]

A conviction for drink driving for a cop these days means dismissal.

Kent and Devon and Cornwall both admit to having officers with drink driving convictions. At least one other force has a serving officer that has been convicted of possession of an imitation firearm in a public place.

 

[John Gryphon]

The amount of participants is unreal...if someone posted a photo of any deer species it may draw a 'well done" ..... cats 'sore freckle' posts get more replies.

I agree.

Amazing how fast all the holier-than-thou's crawl out of the woodwork to do their bit of virtue signalling and get a kick in when anyone admits to anything less than perfection.

YAYE!

Wasnt it that the POTUS admitted to smoking dope but 'didnt inhale'...

 

[Pedro]

Kent and Devon and Cornwall both admit to having officers with drink driving convictions. At least one other force has a serving officer that has been convicted of possession of an imitation firearm in a public place.

Wasn’t always so, but is now and has been for a fair while, so having a drink drive conviction and being a police officer isn’t mutually exclusive. But they will be a dwindling number as a conviction these days is curtains. Really can’t comment on the other miscreant though. Think I’d want to know the circumstances before breaking out the pitchforks and burning torches though.

 

[TH4]

Wasn’t always so, but is now and has been for a fair while, so having a drink drive conviction and being a police officer isn’t mutually exclusive. But they will be a dwindling number as a conviction these days is curtains. Really can’t comment on the other miscreant though. Think I’d want to know the circumstances before breaking out the pitchforks and burning torches though.

I thoroughly agree with you. It is a shame some of the other posters didn't think like that about the guy in the original post.

 

[User00053]

Different circumstances but relates to shotguns and firearms and possible hope for the guy with convictions.
Twenty or so years ago a gamekeeper, fell foul of a private prosecution by the rspca regarding the killing of badgers and went to prison (6 months from memory). Was advised at some point he may regain his shotgun certificate but firearm uncertain. He eventually regained both.

 

[alberta boy]

If your intention had been to protect the life of another (or yourself) then you are golden.

I know, that sounds glib, it is not meant to be and I applaud your for your restraint.


When I was a sixteen year old, back in 1888, I saw a man assaulting a woman (it was just after last orders) and I was at my girlfriend's gate on the other side of the road.

I ran over and put him on his arse. When I was standing over him, reading him his future I learned a very important lesson about life.

His girlfriend/wife/partner jumped on my back and started to beat the crap out of me...

Yeah. Domestics...

I had the same thing happen to me , she had been beaten bloody , but still had a go at me . I'm not proud of it , but I knocked her on her ass too and then walked away . Lesson learned .

AB