Thermal scope advice

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The Pulsar Thermion Duo XP55 is basically a Thermion 2 XP50 pro with a small 4k colour camera mounted where the LRF goes on the LRF model of the Thermion
The colour daytime image is excellent, but it has zero, repeat zero NV capability.
It's low capability is OK, but not great

Cheers

Bruce
 
I know 4 people using thermtec areas one of them as always used all the latest pulsar gear untill now. He won't go back to pulsar. I've personally looked through his thermec areas 360 and 660 and the picture quality is amazing especially considering there hell of alot cheaper than pulsar. I've got a puksar thermion but as soon as I'm ready to upgrade I will be getting a thermtec. The 360 is more than enough for foxing with better picture than the likes of a thermion xq50 and cheaper . On another plus side the batteries are standard 18650 which are cheaper enough to have a good few spares.
 
Bm133 said:
I know 4 people using thermtec areas one of them as always used all the latest pulsar gear untill now. He won't go back to pulsar. I've personally looked through his thermec areas 360 and 660 and the picture quality is amazing especially considering there hell of alot cheaper than pulsar. I've got a puksar thermion but as soon as I'm ready to upgrade I will be getting a thermtec. The 360 is more than enough for foxing with better picture than the likes of a thermion xq50 and cheaper . On another plus side the batteries are standard 18650 which are cheaper enough to have a good few spares.
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I have a pile of Thermtec here and the old model are discounted now for the new model which for the price are ok. The Senopex is better and to be honest I would rather have a Thermion 2 XG50 or Thunder 2.0 TQ50 over the Ares 660. I read everything on the internet thats posted and some of it's entertaining lets say everyones got the best dog haven't they..

Put a low cost Thermion 2 XQ50 Pro against any of the Ares models in bad weather and it will outperform them allround , Put a Thermion 2 XG50 against an Ares 660 and it will out perform in poor weather and show more target detail and clarity at longer range using digital zoom on the full screen.

What I would say is be very careful who you listen too, because people punt stuff for there own gain, ambassador, youtube promoter, retailer, distributor, manufacturer, etc...some haven't even used it, some get people to say stuff is great on youtube to shift things on shelves.... it's a minefield for people who don't have £100,000-£200,000 to throw at testing everything alongside and even more so for complete novices who are just entering the market...
 
mealiejimmy said:
Don't be confused, as long as you're happy to pay the price, an XG50 will do everything you want
In the computer industry it was said that nobody ever got fired for buying IBM
In the thermal world you could say the same thing about buying Pulsar

Cheers

Bruce
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Just received the new T2 XG50 standard models today, the focus is silky smooth now... Bang it on normal mode and pump the contrast up to suit the conditions. They are great allround scopes with extra legs over the XP to reach out further... big strong point using digital zoom over other similar models with the same pixel pitch and focal length, just retains more target detail and sharpness without doubt...

Some people say an iray TH50 are great, I find them bad, amazing display , amazing image around buildings and up close, get them in the field on average conditions looking at a target.... urrggh..

The Pulsar XG is just over £3.5k and IMO a steal for the build quality, software design, field of view, detection range, etc
 
Blackwood Outdoors said:
I've tested them all a lot..

Thermtec, Senopex, Pulsar, HikMicro, iRay , etc

I was out last night with a Thunder 2.0 TQ50 and a Thermion 2 XG50

All the 12 micron chinese brands use big amount of denoise filters to smooth out the image, whilst leaving grain actually adds detail to the full scene.

I tested Senopex against Thermtec, some of the Thermtec offerings they are clearing are cheap and a good price, although the Senopex definitely spanks them without question..

I kept a Thermion 2 XG50 LRF myself, because the target ID and detail at range for a 50mm unit is the best in it's class 640x480, 12 micron, 50mm focal, others with similar spec didn't retain the same detail, especially throughout the mag range when using Digital zoom. The standard model of these have just been released and there priced very well at £3500.

The Thunder 2.0 TQ50 is a nice compact unit, the initial firmware scared me away from them, but a firmware update improved things a lot, I must admit the Pulsar has an overall more natural image but the Thunder is priced very cheap and its tiny if you want to keep weight down.. I've been using one on my bullpup to keep the weight right down.

IF it was me and I had to choose a thermal scope currently for my own needs, wide field of view, decent image and multi functional as in close/long range.... just purely thermal it would be

Thermion 2 XG50 LRF
Senopex S7
Thunder 2 TQ50 2.0

IF I wanted the best poor weather performance it would be

Thermion 2 XP50 PRO
Thermion 2 XQ50 PRO (Bargain)
Thunder 2 TQ50 2.0

If I wanted the best long range foxing scope it would be

Senopex S10
Senopex S7
Senopex A7
Thermion 2 XG50
Thermtec Ares 660

If I wanted a really good day time 4K scope and stunning thermal image upto medium ranges and excellent poor weather performance.

Thermion Duo DXP55
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How do you rate the Thermtec 640 spotters Ian? I see Optics Warehouse has some 35mm models at a good sale price
 
the prowler said:
Iray rico. Dont hear much about these? Any good, Not to big.
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There's a reason you don't hear much about the IRay Rico - they did not sell in big numbers and although the RL42, at the time it came out was a good scope for the money, they bumped the price up far too high and it's bigger and even more expensive brother the RH50 is a total dog of a scope - arguably the worst thermal scope I ever tried. Scopes costing £2k less than it gave better images.

Cheers

Bruce
 
mealiejimmy said:
There's a reason you don't hear much about the IRay Rico - they did not sell in big numbers and although the RL42, at the time it came out was a good scope for the money, they bumped the price up far too high and it's bigger and even more expensive brother the RH50 is a total dog of a scope - arguably the worst thermal scope I ever tried. Scopes costing £2k less than it gave better images.

Cheers

Bruce
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Are iray in general not that great as I said earlier a friend has a tl35 and if you were looking to buy a thermal scope and looked thru this you wouldn't bother
 
mealiejimmy said:
There's a reason you don't hear much about the IRay Rico - they did not sell in big numbers and although the RL42, at the time it came out was a good scope for the money, they bumped the price up far too high and it's bigger and even more expensive brother the RH50 is a total dog of a scope - arguably the worst thermal scope I ever tried. Scopes costing £2k less than it gave better images.

Cheers

Bruce
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Tried my ward 75-3 out the bedroom window last night, against the xp50 and xq50. To be honest the ward were still excellent. 75-6 would be even better no doubt at 175yards.
 
The Finder FH35 thermal with rangefinder gets pretty good reviews and I know a couple of people who have them and are happy with them.
Part of the problem with IRay in the UK is the importer/distributor (Highland Outdoors) who appear to have little product knowledge and even less ability to provide any sort of technical back up or service

Cheers

Bruce
 
mealiejimmy said:
Sorry, can't agree with you there.
I have a 75-6 and although it is still a perfectly good and usable scope, the image, IMHO, is nothing like as good as an Thermion 2 XP pro or XG or a HIK Thunder or Gryphon

Cheers

Bruce
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I do prefer the 30mm tube on the thermion against the weaver rail option on the ward. I prefer the thermion2 xp50 lfr pro. As its easier to focus with know on the side. As opposed the front turn focus.
 
124DM said:
Cheers for that. Would say the image on those 640 40/50mk Thermtecs is somewhat similar to an mk1 Xp50 Helion or improved?
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On a good summer day or night with low humidity they will look decent and being 12 micron have a longer detection range but the winter weather looming, they are pretty dire the older models...plus the joystick is crap, etc
 
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