Thanks Clive really appreciate that
What sort of money is the thermal scope you’re talking about?
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Thanks Clive really appreciate that
What sort of money is the thermal scope you’re talking about?
No problem at all.Thanks Clive really appreciate that
What sort of money is the thermal scope you’re talking about?
T-Ceptor PRO TC2 55-3 12 Micron thermal rifle scope made in UK
www.nightvisionstore.co.uk
£3250 for the scope, plus £40 - £250 for the mount. What mount is best depends on what you are using it for and if you are moving from one rifle to another...not the price. I use the £40 one.
The Innomount is brilliant for changing from thermal to day scope on ONE RIFLE. If you want to move the Innomount to another rifle you need to use a torque wrench to set the cam tension to the other rifle's rail width (they are all different even though there is a proper standard that almost nobody manufactures them to). Innomount is pretty much required if you want proper mounting without adapters onto a Blaser, Sauer, etc.
If you are moving the scope to several rifles, you may as well use the £40 mount and a torque wrench (that's what I do). It does the same job. If you are keeping the scope permanently on one rifle...use the £40 mount.
You can save 5% off the whole lot by paying via bank transfer and there is a discount code at the checkout for that.
Delivery is 2-3 working days as we manufacture to order and the sealants / thread locking compounds need time to cure.
Cheers
Clive
Apart from the versatility of the C50 one of the biggest plus points in my opinion is its depth of focus, whether it be in day mode or night. They are vastly different in the travel on the focus ring, and that is something you need to be aware of if you use a coaster like I am, but once you set up the focus before you set off it doesn`t need much tweaking.
Thanks Clive much appreciated food for thought nowNo problem at all.
T-Ceptor PRO TC2 55-3 12 Micron thermal rifle scope made in UK
www.nightvisionstore.co.uk
£3250 for the scope, plus £40 - £250 for the mount. What mount is best depends on what you are using it for and if you are moving from one rifle to another...not the price. I use the £40 one.
The Innomount is brilliant for changing from thermal to day scope on ONE RIFLE. If you want to move the Innomount to another rifle you need to use a torque wrench to set the cam tension to the other rifle's rail width (they are all different even though there is a proper standard that almost nobody manufactures them to). Innomount is pretty much required if you want proper mounting without adapters onto a Blaser, Sauer, etc.
If you are moving the scope to several rifles, you may as well use the £40 mount and a torque wrench (that's what I do). It does the same job. If you are keeping the scope permanently on one rifle...use the £40 mount.
You can save 5% off the whole lot by paying via bank transfer and there is a discount code at the checkout for that.
Delivery is 2-3 working days as we manufacture to order and the sealants / thread locking compounds need time to cure.
Cheers
Clive
Overlay
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Hi CliveNo problem at all.
T-Ceptor PRO TC2 55-3 12 Micron thermal rifle scope made in UK
www.nightvisionstore.co.uk
£3250 for the scope, plus £40 - £250 for the mount. What mount is best depends on what you are using it for and if you are moving from one rifle to another...not the price. I use the £40 one.
The Innomount is brilliant for changing from thermal to day scope on ONE RIFLE. If you want to move the Innomount to another rifle you need to use a torque wrench to set the cam tension to the other rifle's rail width (they are all different even though there is a proper standard that almost nobody manufactures them to). Innomount is pretty much required if you want proper mounting without adapters onto a Blaser, Sauer, etc.
If you are moving the scope to several rifles, you may as well use the £40 mount and a torque wrench (that's what I do). It does the same job. If you are keeping the scope permanently on one rifle...use the £40 mount.
You can save 5% off the whole lot by paying via bank transfer and there is a discount code at the checkout for that.
Delivery is 2-3 working days as we manufacture to order and the sealants / thread locking compounds need time to cure.
Cheers
Clive
Do you have this modelin stock and a Blaser mount also does it have the facility for a external battery supply
cheers
phil
Foxyboy43
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Quick update on the Pulsar Axion2 - I just watched someone walk across a field on the hill opposite my house. Clearly identifiable as a human and according to Google Earth 1.2 kilometres away. In the next field to them I can see sheep - some of which I know are young lambs - at 1.4 kilometres. Pretty damned impressive - strangely though neither are responding to my squeaks!
Hi Phil,
Yes all the components in stock. Lead time is 2-3 days for assembly and curing.
Yes it does accept external power. We have single and dual external battery packs in stock too.
Cheers
Clive
Depends on the quality of the Thermal and the settings. This is definitely not a silhouette. Fox at around 100 yards
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I was lucky enough to look through a T-Ceptor a few backs, erm Wow! I would say positive recognition of a fox would be close to 400 yards, at 100 yards you could probably see what it had for tea.
I looked through 4 generations of thermal if that's the correct terminology, starting with Pulsar Quantum XQ38 up to the T-Ceptor and there was a noticeable improvement between each one, but the biggest leap was without doubt the T-Ceptor.
I had listened to all the comments about people not being able to get a good recognition with thermal scopes and reverting back to digital, I even have a friend who has a lot of nice equipment who uses it frequently say that he wouldn't rely on a thermal scope alone, so I looked through the T-Ceptor somewhat skeptically, I'm not skeptical anymore. Should I have a windfall I wouldn't hesitate to buy a top end thermal rifle scope, emphasis on top end!
I looked through 4 generations of thermal if that's the correct terminology, starting with Pulsar Quantum XQ38 up to the T-Ceptor and there was a noticeable improvement between each one, but the biggest leap was without doubt the T-Ceptor.
I had listened to all the comments about people not being able to get a good recognition with thermal scopes and reverting back to digital, I even have a friend who has a lot of nice equipment who uses it frequently say that he wouldn't rely on a thermal scope alone, so I looked through the T-Ceptor somewhat skeptically, I'm not skeptical anymore. Should I have a windfall I wouldn't hesitate to buy a top end thermal rifle scope, emphasis on top end!
I’ve owned both an XP50 and an KG50 Krypton and have now gone back to a Pard 007. Going out foxing is not a hobby for me it’s part of my job and I’m out 4 nights a week. I’m much happier with this set up and have shot more using it. A question I’d ask is why on nearly every Pulsar video is the shooter running the PIP function on the scope….. it’s because the base magnification is to low for our quarry. Using the XG50 was a joke zoom into 6 x on a scope and it’s all but unusable on a fox, a hog in Texas it is probably great. Pulsar need to listen or loose out. I’m aware there are some specialist companies making better thermals with better magnification but I’d not be convinced again. Spot with Accolades shoot with NV.
Once you have looked through one of Clive's scope everything else seems mediocre. I've shot thousands of foxes with his WT1 75-3 and the Tceptor 55-6
Foxyboy43
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As per earlier post I have only just bought a Pulsar and I have to agree with you on the PiP option. The first couple of outings it was kinda impressive then I (accidentally - yes I know)
I’ve never used PIP on my Accolades in “anger” tried it but was a complete distraction. Thermal for spotting and range finding Pard for shooting.As per earlier post I have only just bought a Pulsar and I have to agree with you on the PiP option. The first couple of outings it was kinda impressive then I (accidentally - yes I know)read the manualdiscovered how to remove it and with a single long push immediately increased the full picture zoom as required from base 2x through to 8x - so I no longer use the PiP option. As ever I guess different strokes for different folks apply….. Hugely impressive bit of kit though. I use mine as an early warning system (spose there is a clue in the “spotting” bit then switch to a 007A or a 008P dependent on the quarry.
I did look into one of them a while back but didn’t get to far.
A thermion is a pretty high quality unit - it also depends on the terrain and how the target is moving. Although - with a pard you would easily identify them at 100 yards.
foxdropper
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Pard good to well over 300 yards with right IR .The IR is something that is overlooked I’ve found .Blame the NV when in fact it’s the IR .The unit can’t see without decent IR .
You make an excellent point on base magnification, I think it’s an important factor to consider if you‘re getting a thermal scope. You have to work out what you’d be happy using in a glass equivalent for your intended use, if it’s mainly short range (woodland, hogs etc) then a baseline mag of around 2x would be great in a glass scope, so you can happily use a range of thermals at their full image quality. If your desired base mag is more in the 6x-10x range ie normal fox shooting magnification, things get a bit more complicated and compromises come in to play.
Currently (people on here more eloquent than I will be able to explain the reasons better), available technology on high end sensors is limited to a resolution of around 640x512 pixels paired to a lens giving a base magnification of 2x-3x depending on make, drop the sensor size down to 380x288 and you can increase the base magnification through the lens size, good design up to 6x7x. much more in line with fox shooting through glass optics
In order for manufacturers to sell their high end sensors (with highly detailed base mag images at 2x) to people wanting more magnification, you have to magnify the image digitally, this halves the resolution of the image for each doubling of the magnification. This means your highly detailed 640x480 XP50 image at 2x base mag becomes a 320x240 image at 4x zoom and a 160x120image at 8x zoom, so if your shooting is normally at 4x or above, you’ll likely be using the same image resolution as a much cheaper scope with higher base mag.
There are lots of things that come into play with clever algorithms, software design, quality components etc that make a big difference between manufacturers and how they manage to create a useable product, but a fairly common route to “mask” some of this degradation in your magnified image is to use PIP, that way you are presenting a smaller image and the quality loss is less noticeable. But effectively, your expensive high resolution scope is only pumping out its amazingly clear image at a relatively low magnification, any magnification is degrading the resolution on the image seen on the viewing screen.
For lots of people, PIP works well and is a good solution, the range that they shoot at means the base mag is more than adequate for quarry, or they aren’t bothered by a full screen fuzzy image, all of which are fine if that works, personally I dont get on with PIP.
Fortunately (until we get high base mag scopes with high resolution sensors) there are solutions available that use the 380x288 sensor at a decent mag (I use a T-Ceptor 55-3, but there’s the Senopex A7 and even the venerable Pulsar XM50) and to me that makes them a better alternative than IR For what I do.
Put on a Sirius XTL and see further than you’d sensibly shoot.
foxdropper
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I use the dragon fly mate and find it more than enough for my needs .
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