No doubt isis will shorten their courses to accommodate this and not arouse suspicion for prospective members
Time Spent out of UK/Overseas Convictions
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palmer_mike
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Steady on, was only seeking better understanding of the legal position. Bit touchy
Alhamander
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Yep I was steering away from suggesting that
You didn't get ISS1 Certificate then? Not at all difficult. A simple shooting test and then some other questions from a set course handbook. It's the ISS2 Certificate that's the one that needs the practical demonstration and the accredited witness.Yep I was steering away from suggesting that
Rake Aboot
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What ???
Well, now that our National Security Adviser is on record insisting that public safety is maximised by letting Hamas terrorists hold AK47s, I can't see the police making too much fuss about anyone's summer holiday camping safaris.
After all, now that convicted terrorists are allowed to stand for public office and we've got half a dozen MPs who represent the Islamist world rather than English constituencies, any degree of risk seems to be officially sanctioned.
Rake Aboot
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Political forum is that way>>>>
Bavarianbrit
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Well yes as it seemed to be heading in a "you are not legal" direction. I figure this will be my last SGC anyway as I will be 79-80 on renewal.
Isn't the word "Resident" the more relevant ? You could holiday/visit UK every 4 months for a week each time in a year and still be classed as resident in a country for a period of six consecutive months or more. If I go on holiday to Spain it doesn't stop me as being classed as uk resident for that period.
63
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In other some other spheres of government checkery (including DBS checks, I think), any period of more than 28 days outside the UK requires a certificate from the relevant police force.
Service personnel, their dependents, and diplomatic/civil service personnel (and Dependents) posted overseas are not subject to this in the other spheres, as they still exist inside the UK ‘system’ whilst abroad. In much the same way that a military or FCDO ‘child’ born in an overseas posting is still a UK citizen, and you still pay UK tax and national insurance etc.
That said, if this is a new requirement FLDs might not be familiar with the above and might fluff it.
From an employers side, we DBS check all the staff at my firm as it’s required. For those who’ve been outside the UK the agency we use is able to do direct checks, rather than the staff member providing a certificate. I suspect if you google around you can find companies that can do it for you, a bit like shootcert for medical docs.
Service personnel, their dependents, and diplomatic/civil service personnel (and Dependents) posted overseas are not subject to this in the other spheres, as they still exist inside the UK ‘system’ whilst abroad. In much the same way that a military or FCDO ‘child’ born in an overseas posting is still a UK citizen, and you still pay UK tax and national insurance etc.
That said, if this is a new requirement FLDs might not be familiar with the above and might fluff it.
From an employers side, we DBS check all the staff at my firm as it’s required. For those who’ve been outside the UK the agency we use is able to do direct checks, rather than the staff member providing a certificate. I suspect if you google around you can find companies that can do it for you, a bit like shootcert for medical docs.
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Heym SR20
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I personally think it’s only correct that when licensing to own and use firearms a check should be made on the full background on the individual.
It is very clear in the Firearms Act that you should be of good character and that you do not have convictions of criminal offences.
There are plenty in the UK, who are British citizens, but who have spent time overseas and fallen foul of laws wherever they happen to be resident at the time, and have served lengthy prison sentences that would preclude them holding a firearms certificate. Or they may have been on the police radar, but have not been caught.
As an FAC applicant, it is your choice whether or not to apply for an FAC, likewise it was usually your choice whether you went and lived overseas. It is your choice whether or not to provide full and truthful information about your convictions and your choice whether you want you want to get the police record from that overseas country.
With an FAC application it is your choice whether or not you provide full and clear information. The application is the first test on whether or not you are a fit and proper person.
It is up to the the FEO whether or not to recommend to the chief of police whether or not to grant you an FAC.
Once you have done your application, keep a complete copy and use this for your first renewal.
It is very clear in the Firearms Act that you should be of good character and that you do not have convictions of criminal offences.
There are plenty in the UK, who are British citizens, but who have spent time overseas and fallen foul of laws wherever they happen to be resident at the time, and have served lengthy prison sentences that would preclude them holding a firearms certificate. Or they may have been on the police radar, but have not been caught.
As an FAC applicant, it is your choice whether or not to apply for an FAC, likewise it was usually your choice whether you went and lived overseas. It is your choice whether or not to provide full and truthful information about your convictions and your choice whether you want you want to get the police record from that overseas country.
With an FAC application it is your choice whether or not you provide full and clear information. The application is the first test on whether or not you are a fit and proper person.
It is up to the the FEO whether or not to recommend to the chief of police whether or not to grant you an FAC.
Once you have done your application, keep a complete copy and use this for your first renewal.
Just a quick update on this one....have talked to our Firearms Dept a couple of times now. They are quite apologetic about the extra work this has created (for them as well as me!). The 'in person' trip to London to get one of the documents was achieved in one (very long) day. To whoever suggested I take a bus....sorry, not happening, and, as predicted (even with a DOF rail card) it has doubled the cost of the FAC/SGC renewal. That irrelevancy aside, the time needed to get the other certificate will certainly push the renewal timing into 'delay' territory and may even need weapons to be stored till it arrives and the renewal can progress. The local firearms team have not told me whether this will stall the actual start of the renewal, or if most can be done up front before the arrival of the final certificate. They did say that they'd already run into several cases where this new requirement had popped up - interestingly one of them being a youngster who had (presumably) had a year out before or after university.
Watch this space....
Watch this space....
markj1
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This is correct sir.
