Bavarianbrit
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Those alpine altitude rescues where you can get a helicopter in, as I live in Bavaria I often hear that you get charged for the all rescue after the event, it would need a billionaire to cover this one.
Titanic Submersible missing
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Unmanned ROVs and manned subs with robotic arms. I think it was a French team that picked up the Burser's safe, which Ballard had found, identified and mapped, brought it to the surface and "opened" it on a live TV show as a money-making publicity stunt. From memory I think they even planted false valuables in it to "discover". In fact, as Ballard later said, it was plainly visible when it was on the seabed that the back was rusted off and it contained nothing but silt, but they did it anyway and disguised it for the show .
There was all sorts of stuff retrieved and given false provenance (this was the toothbrush holder from Joseph Ismay's cabin etc) and sold at auction until a stop was put to it. It was purely commercial ransacking. Some amateur explorers also damaged the wreck, landing craft on it or picking up and dropping things etc). Trouble is the wreck is in international waters so it took international cooperation to get the site protected. Ballard was a leading figure in that.
A bit different really. The pyramids are formal burial sites, not mass graves that were the result of a tragedy. Though I think the grave robbing that has gone on over the centuries in Egypt is deplorable and I don't approve of removing mummies and displaying them in museums or locking them away in laboratories for study. For how long does someone have to be dead before what should be our natural respect for the dead and the beliefs and burial rituals of the past expires? Desecration is desecration, even when it's for science. The only exception for me would be disturbing the bodies of murder victims to solve the crime.
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I think that should applied to people who are rescued by lifeboats when they get in difficulties through their own negligence. When I lived in Weymouth in Dorset, you'd frequently hear call-outs for people in tiny speedboats who'd gone out too far and run out of fuel. Or a becalmed yacht that was drifting towards Portland Race when the owner discovered his auxiliary outboard which hadn't been serviced for three years wouldn't start, or that his anchor rope was too short to reach the bottom. There's no excuse for that. At the time it cost £2500 to scramble the coastguard helicopter, and that means just getting the crew together and spinning the rotors up on the ground before it even takes off. For a flight and full rescue you start adding noughts. The lifeboat was referred to as the big orange taxi. And yachters as WAFIs - wind-assisted f*cking idiots.
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Len the dog
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But where do you draw the line? People going about leisure activities of any sort may require rescue, what if a weekend angler goes out for a bit of Mackerel fishing and his engine fails, or a rambler has an accident up a hill in the Lake District or even a child gets caught in a rip on their inflatable. What about amateur footballers having a Sunday knockabout, do we bill each and every one of them for the emergency services if something untoward happens?
Before you know it we would need insurance to do absolutely anything that involves a small amount of risk, and that is absolutely everything we do, nobody would be able to enjoy life for fear of being bankrupted.
Like America ?
Len the dog
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On another note, the US Coastguard have issued a precise time that the submersible will run out of Oxygen, presumably based on the time the chamber was sealed plus the quoted 96 hour supply. Are they for real??? What a fu..ing stupid thing to publish, they have absolutely no way of knowing how long it will last and more to the point, it just adds a pile of anguish to those affected by this.
I didn't suggest mandatory payment but in the case of the RNLI which is a charity, it should be accepted convention for people who been rescued by the service to make a donation. Whatever they can afford. Most in fact do. But I've seen people get off the boat at the lifeboat station without a word to the crew or a second glance and head straight for the pub.
Len the dog
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I couldn’t agree more, but like with those idiots that climb Ben Nevis in flip flops using their mobile for navigation and then when they realise it’s a bit too hard work, call for Mountain Rescue, the difficulty is drawing a definitive line in the sand.
Some people will be responsible and some will always be shameless tw.ts.
Bavarianbrit
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Tw.ts should be made to learn the hard way.
long_range_rob
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Radio transponders don’t work through water due to its density. That’s why military submarines have to surface (or use a radio bouy) to contact home.
Personally I feel they knew the risks and were selfish enough not to think of their loved ones first so sadly I suspect they are f****d.
They got a former naval commander on GB News. He says there's no chance for them now. They've only got four hours of oxygen at most and they haven't even found the sub yet. Two to three hours to descend, however many hours to extricate the vessel from whatever position it is in and a winch to the surface of at least eight hours, maybe ten.
There is no hope.
There is no hope.
enfieldspares
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Indeed. In those Departements that encompass the Somme. Vimy, Verdun and other WW1 battlefields the open possession of a metal detector is illegal. It would be relatively simple to make possession of a deployed inflatable illegal save without lawful purpose or possession illegal.They could always stop getting into boats?
Or countries like france could stop turning a blind eye to people inflating large dinghies on the beach surrounded by migrants.
norcan
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Or dodgy submarines, for that matter.
This wasn’t your average hill climb…and should have been covered by insurers for such costs as any rescue attempt will be into the millions.
Len the dog
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No insurer on the planet would have underwritten this clusterf..k, they would need to see all manner of certification and quality assurance before they even let these chancers through their door.
The CEO of Oceangate is probably in the right place because otherwise I personally think his waivers would not have held up in court and he would have been looking at a very long stretch in the US penitentiary system.
The CEO of Oceangate is probably in the right place because otherwise I personally think his waivers would not have held up in court and he would have been looking at a very long stretch in the US penitentiary system.
You’d be surprised…plenty get insurance for Everest and that’s pretty risky!
Len the dog
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If you die on Everest you just get left there, nobody spends hundreds of millions of dollars to look for you.
Again, that depends - you can insure against that - the Sherpa’s had a thing going doing collections for a while.
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