To thermal or not to thermal…
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Always white hot, but I only use thermal front clip on.
Obviously, I cannot change colour of my glass riflescope crosshairs and black crosshairs on black hot coloured fox would not be contrast enough.
There are some TI riflescopes that will automatically adjust colour of crosshairs in regard to background colour.
SuperSixFive
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I’ve never looked back since moving from C50 to a Thermion 2 XP50 Pro LRF ……use the Telos XP50 LRF for spotting, transfer to the rifle looking for same target is simple. Never pull trigger until I’m absolutely satisfied and fox target is confirmed by movement and shape.
Prefer white hot but depending on landscape I’ll change to black hot. I was more than happy with the image on the C50 with a Solaris supporting it. But, having used Thermal on the rifle it’s just great. I moved the C50 and Solaris to my HMR….
Prefer white hot but depending on landscape I’ll change to black hot. I was more than happy with the image on the C50 with a Solaris supporting it. But, having used Thermal on the rifle it’s just great. I moved the C50 and Solaris to my HMR….
Flash G 74
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Hello, I only use my Pixfra thermal for spotting Rabbit and Rat but prefer Black hot
Pellet Pinger
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I wouldn’t say so, my TI gives that level of detail too but as i say for me, the image through digital gives a far more realistic image of your quarry and as already said instant ID.
Smellydog
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I like black hot when spotting in daylight.
Anyway, I like the detail in a good NV unit. I don't think I would like the silhouette type of image in thermal although I know it is improving.
It's a funny thing but I always think that for these huge expensive leaps forward there is another cost. I'm not sure what that cost is but certainly some of the excitement is lost knowing the prey can't see you.
I do miss the excitement of what the reaction to a lamp will be and the satisfaction of being successful with such a simple set up.
I've not used my trusty HMR for ages and I'm gonna get it rigged with the old lamp and get out with it more.
Anyway, I like the detail in a good NV unit. I don't think I would like the silhouette type of image in thermal although I know it is improving.
It's a funny thing but I always think that for these huge expensive leaps forward there is another cost. I'm not sure what that cost is but certainly some of the excitement is lost knowing the prey can't see you.
I do miss the excitement of what the reaction to a lamp will be and the satisfaction of being successful with such a simple set up.
I've not used my trusty HMR for ages and I'm gonna get it rigged with the old lamp and get out with it more.
Rob22
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I went from using night vision and a thermal spotter on foxes to upgrading night vision to a HIK Micro Thunder 2.0 TQ50 - It was £1495 refurbished so I was happy with the price
This was at 100m - I would comfortably shoot foxes up to 180m with it.
I would have liked the new Stellar 3.0 but at £3600 I couldn’t justify the difference for what I do.
This was at 100m - I would comfortably shoot foxes up to 180m with it.
I would have liked the new Stellar 3.0 but at £3600 I couldn’t justify the difference for what I do.
I'm out 4 nights a week from Sept to March, then as requested until the end of lambing, or if called out for a visit to the free range chicken farms. I shoot on a slow year 250 foxes, and on a busy year 450.
My first thermal was a Pulsar xq50 lrf, I then purchased a Pulsar axion key 30 spotter, when they first came out, followed by various Pulsar night vision scopes.
I currently have a Hik Gryphon LRF spotter, Thermion XP50 on a .243, Thermion 2 xq35 on a .204, Pulsar C50 on a .17hmr, Hik HD LRF on a .308. I have other night vision scopes 2 Sytongs and a Photon RT. on LR and .22 fac air rifles.
Having had plenty of experience using all the above and early NV scopes Nothing beats a good thermal for foxing in this area. Predominatly hill farms with plenty of ground cover. The main advantage is once spotted and identified, (that's the key, plenty of hours spotting the movment of foxes), there is no faffing about trying to locate the target with NV. It is straight onto the rifle with the thermal and shoot when ready. Way faster than any NV. Also no worries over mist, fog, drizzle, rain or light cover, as long as you know your ground. Using a NV with spotter leads to lots of missed opertunities, to dispatch Mr. or Mrs. Fox.
Flash G 74
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Hello, Very interested in all the posts, I bought my self a Pixfra M40 B 13 mm with 400 X 300 sensor but struggling to get a decent picture, I had to put the Diopter on Max setting , and prefer Black hot unless around the farm ratting then White hot but what are the other settings FFC/ There is a Scene mode, and other modes i do not understand , Can any one help as I cannot get very good clarity like it shows on some videos, cheers
Overlay
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I use a pair of accolades for spotting and range finding as required 100%I love my foxing and have been having much greater success since I bought an Axion2 thermal spotter - detection is simplicity itself and no longer am I dependent on the old-fashioned eye-shine from an assortment of handheld lamps/torches or way back, even a car headlamp. Currently I use the excellent Zulus 5-20 day/night scope and before that a Pard 007 and an 008P both of which I have kept and still use on my smaller chambering rifles - all to good effect.
However, I have this worm working away in what’s left of my brain to buy a thermal scope - never again would foxes see the IR torch so presumably they will be unaware of my presence (apart from dark mutterings when I can’t find the record button) - so what could go wrong?
Sooo - advice sought from those who have been there already - is there any real obvious benefit over IR, did you miss the more meaningful (b&w) picture, did it spoil/enhance the excitement attached to fox shooting, etc.?
Or should I hold off and go for the multi-spectral latest version of the Zulus (or wotever it is called) which now includes thermal - though by all accounts a rather short-range version? Again advice from anyone who has done this already would be much appreciated, plz?
Thanks chaps.
Ward 800 s on the 177 pcp, on the 22 rimmies, WMR, 22 Hornet and .204 either the 007 or the vulpine mk 3 that does everything out to 200 yds they work spot on I've got a T ceptor which can go on go on the 22 rimmy, WMR and hornet for when the weather cuts up rough enough to knock back the NV all simple to use an dependable,
IR wise small covert and a blade all made up by ward, all work perfectly and no reason to change
Flash G 74
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Hello, Now having a Thermal spotter this winter which seems a bit OTT for Rat shooting but will also help a keeper friend, what is every ones favourite color ??, Around the farm for Ratting, Out in the fields Fox spotting ??
Overlay
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I just use white hot, just need to spot and ID after that its through the scope
Its not OTT really - if you are doing a job you may as well do the best you can
I use a thermal scope too on them and have had incredible results - saving grain - and many eggs and chicks
Flash G 74
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Hello, Thanks, will try White and Black and see which i find best, it is mostly Ratting
paulst
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I use white hot at night on left eye for spotting, black hot in daylight. Shoot with right eye. No issues with impaired vision that way.
Flash G 74
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Hello, ok thanks to reply
Are there wires in between the fenceposts? Hard to see, even in the pip.
Rob22
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There are wires on fence - image looks clearer through viewfinder
the prowler
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I use thermal binoculars to spot and thermal rifle scope. I can clearly see what am going to shot at. I sometimes use bait on the foxes. But badger sometimes nicks it. I only really shoot to 100-150yards. Trouble with nv is glare off foliage or road lights etc. and more weight with ir torch.
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