My foxing rifle is zeroed at 100 yards and is spot on from a truck roof or prone. I tried shooting off a Hog Saddle and decent sturdy tripod and had a POI some 6 inches right on a target. Of quad sticks there’s no change. The tripod had 1 leg facing the target. Only trying to make my life easier on static nights out.
Tripod Shooting POI Shift
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J.kerslake
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One shot 6” off or a good group but 6” off?
Decent group of 3 all 6 inches right.
J.kerslake
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How tight is the hog saddle gripping it? Could it be the barrel not free floating once it’s in the grip?
Triggermortis
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What rifle?
Might the hog saddle be putting upward pressure on the action via the magazine if it’s resting on it ?
Triggermortis
Might the hog saddle be putting upward pressure on the action via the magazine if it’s resting on it ?
Triggermortis
It's something I'm struggling with at present. I'm shooting better groups with my CZ 22 off 4 sticks than 5 sticks. What I've also noticed over the years is that some of my centrefire loads seem more tolerant of being shot from different positions than others. It's definitely an issue but I'm not sure what the answer is.
Regards
JCS
Regards
JCS
Similar issues for me. With the hog saddle I too would suspect a free float issue first.
If not, it is probably the same issue as off sticks - poor natural point of aim/recoil management. In the field I seem to have a tendency to shoot a bit right off 5 leg sticks but when I go onto a steel target off sticks or prone then I am spot on. I can only conclude it is me lining up with a natural poa a bit to the right and being less stable when standing that shows up in a shift in poi.
If not, it is probably the same issue as off sticks - poor natural point of aim/recoil management. In the field I seem to have a tendency to shoot a bit right off 5 leg sticks but when I go onto a steel target off sticks or prone then I am spot on. I can only conclude it is me lining up with a natural poa a bit to the right and being less stable when standing that shows up in a shift in poi.
Seemed ok will check that again later.
T3X in a PSE Elite stock.
I will bin the tripod idea first as shoots 53 Gn Superformance really well from any other position.
monarman
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Try using a second 'bipod' stick under the butt of the rifle...... my guess is you're pulling into you're shoulder as you fire and the rest under the butt will stop that as you'll not feel the need to pull in when you fire..... alternatively use a 'pump pillow' or as a cheaper alternative a rolled up sleeping bag in a sack.. put it under your armpit the same as the prs guys do.... it'll stop you pulling in.
Use the same principles as quad sticks and make sure the tripod is at a high where you aren't hunching down when you mount the rifle....a natural stood point of aim.. (I know it may sound like granny sucking eggs but you'll be amazed how many folk don't mount properly off sticks)....
Use the same principles as quad sticks and make sure the tripod is at a high where you aren't hunching down when you mount the rifle....a natural stood point of aim.. (I know it may sound like granny sucking eggs but you'll be amazed how many folk don't mount properly off sticks)....
Will check that later. Just seemed 6 inches at 100 yards was shocking.
So many possibilities ........ some days we shoot better , some better . i always think wind before i go near fiddling and making changes . Hold badly in any position and it effects how a rifle recoils , could be a bedding issue , loose mount , scope sticking etc etc etc .
Check action screws , check barrel clearance , clean the bore well , check moderator is good and not loose . So many things to cross off until you find why
Check action screws , check barrel clearance , clean the bore well , check moderator is good and not loose . So many things to cross off until you find why
If the saddle isn't affecting the stock/barrel interface, then as previously mentioned it has to shooter stance & position.
They do take a bit of practice to equal the stability of quads, but once used to them they're great.
I find having a sling on the rifle & gripping it with my leading hand against the tripod leg helps steady any movement. Another improvement is to fit a Swiss Arca adaptor to the rifle and dispense with the saddle which firms up the whole system as well as making it less cumbersome to carry.
They do take a bit of practice to equal the stability of quads, but once used to them they're great.
I find having a sling on the rifle & gripping it with my leading hand against the tripod leg helps steady any movement. Another improvement is to fit a Swiss Arca adaptor to the rifle and dispense with the saddle which firms up the whole system as well as making it less cumbersome to carry.
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I shot a decent 5 shot group in my usual way of the roof of a truck before trying the tripod. All was fine till then and was after as I shot agson after the tripod effort.
Heym SR20
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A rifle recoils as the bullet travels down the barrel. Anything that is attached to the rifle whether its a scope, bipod, tripod or the shooter behind the gun will affect that recoil and where the rifle shoots.
To be consistent you need to have a way of ensuring that the rifle recoils the same way for each and every shot you take.
This is difficult or easy enough (I am not sure which) if you only shoot from one position. But add in different positions it’s get that much more complicated.
To my mind all theses devices that hold rifles are a retrograde stem. They seem to work very well if attached and that is your only shooting position. But for a hunting rifle that is often an impossible.
For me, I think it is best to a good consistent shooting grip on the rifle so that it recoils in the same manner whether you are seated, kneeling standing or lying prone. And then your shooting aids whether its a bag, sticks etc are used to steady you rather than the rifle.
So forehand is holding the foreend, but the hand is laid in the v of the l sticks or on the bag. I support my shooting hand by either resting that on a bag or putting my elbow on a knee.
The other key is to look at the target and control your breathing. You will never be as steady as on a bench. But squeeze as sights become aligned.
In hunting you don’t need to shoot tiny little groups. You need to put the first shot into the vitals. On most deer centre of vitals hold gives you quite a bit of wiggle room. My breathing moves the sights in a diagonal direction. I start the squeeze as the sights come into the kill zone with the trigger breaking at the centre.
High magnification doesn’t help. It just amplifies your shake and confuses the brain. Keep magnification lower and you loose the shake.
And you need to practice.
To be consistent you need to have a way of ensuring that the rifle recoils the same way for each and every shot you take.
This is difficult or easy enough (I am not sure which) if you only shoot from one position. But add in different positions it’s get that much more complicated.
To my mind all theses devices that hold rifles are a retrograde stem. They seem to work very well if attached and that is your only shooting position. But for a hunting rifle that is often an impossible.
For me, I think it is best to a good consistent shooting grip on the rifle so that it recoils in the same manner whether you are seated, kneeling standing or lying prone. And then your shooting aids whether its a bag, sticks etc are used to steady you rather than the rifle.
So forehand is holding the foreend, but the hand is laid in the v of the l sticks or on the bag. I support my shooting hand by either resting that on a bag or putting my elbow on a knee.
The other key is to look at the target and control your breathing. You will never be as steady as on a bench. But squeeze as sights become aligned.
In hunting you don’t need to shoot tiny little groups. You need to put the first shot into the vitals. On most deer centre of vitals hold gives you quite a bit of wiggle room. My breathing moves the sights in a diagonal direction. I start the squeeze as the sights come into the kill zone with the trigger breaking at the centre.
High magnification doesn’t help. It just amplifies your shake and confuses the brain. Keep magnification lower and you loose the shake.
And you need to practice.
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