UK Government Launches UK Deer Management Strategy Consultation

[bottletopbill]

Why not donate any unwanted carcasses to groups or food banks or zoos or dog centre. Let us show we respect our kills and not waste them as some one did with pheasants down a well.

Plus game dealers will not be flooded with deer forcing prices down even lower.
Just my thoughts.

 

[User00048]

Shame that they did not consider changing legislation for Roe deer in England to coincide with the same minimum energy etc legislation as Scotland

 

[Pete6.5]

What would be your view of shooting on the basis of Section 7, in this situation?

How would I get rid of the 50 or so that I shoot doing it? Because game dealers rightfully don't take out of season deer

 

[Leec6.5]

They won’t need to worry if they allow night shooting as every one will hammer them sadly .
Be worst thing they can do allowing night shooting and shooting of males during closed season.

If people where educated more on management and how to reduce populations that would help

They bloody need hammering!

Those who are against night shooting are clearly not having to manage large numbers of herd species!

The days of deer management is long gone, they need killing and in numbers end of!!!!

 

[Pete6.5]

Why not donate any unwanted carcasses to groups or food banks or zoos or dog centre. Let us show we respect our kills and not waste them as some one did with pheasants down a well.

Plus game dealers will not be flooded with deer forcing prices down even lower.
Just my thoughts.

Because these places don't have the facilities to store and process 10s of thousands of deer

 

[Pete6.5]

They bloody need hammering!

Those who are against night shooting are clearly not having to manage large numbers of herd species!

The days of deer management is long gone, they need killing and in numbers end of!!!!

I'm not against night shooting but the market for venison needs to be there before shooting massive numbers of deer. Between me and a mate we shoot hundreds of fallow a year and over the last few years (before COVID as well ) it's been a nightmare to get them moved on.

 

[Leec6.5]

I'm not against night shooting but the market for venison needs to be there before shooting massive numbers of deer. Between me and a mate we shoot hundreds of fallow a year and over the last few years (before COVID as well ) it's been a nightmare to get them moved on.

I don’t disagree but i am now of the opinion of run the buggers in and get what you get, just to keep the larder clear!

But if the dealers stop taking, I’ll stop shooting, i will NOT sling them in a hole!

 

[Nikko]

I'm not against night shooting but the market for venison needs to be there before shooting massive numbers of deer. Between me and a mate we shoot hundreds of fallow a year and over the last few years (before COVID as well ) it's been a nightmare to get them moved on.

The market is there for venison and will grow but people refuse to accept game dealer prices, which of course, its their choice. Perhaps there should be more investment in venison supply and collections?

 

[Leec6.5]

The market is there for venison and will grow but people refuse to accept game dealer prices, which of course, its their choice. Perhaps there should be more investment in venison supply and collections?

People still think there is money in shooting deer

I realised many many years ago there isn’t, bullets fuel and beer is all you earn

 

[Pete6.5]

I don’t disagree but i am now of the opinion of run the buggers in and get what you get, just to keep the larder clear!

But if the dealers stop taking, I’ll stop shooting, i will NOT sling them in a hole!

The market is there for venison and will grow but people refuse to accept game dealer prices, which of course, its their choice. Perhaps there should be more investment in venison supply and collections?

How long do you think the game dealers will take them when huge numbers are shot at night. They already worry at times when you call them to say the larder is full.

 

[Klenchblaize]

They bloody need hammering!

Those who are against night shooting are clearly not having to manage large numbers of herd species!

The days of deer management is long gone, they need killing and in numbers end of!!!!

At my reading the biggest hurdle to stalkers shooting significantly more deer than they currently do is not that they are restricted to daytime as distinct from the ‘helpful’ cover of darkness but that they do not have a;- meaningful carcass processing arrangements (what use is a single drinks chiller if you shoot 5 or more a week?) and b;- suitably assured outlets for multiple carcasses.

Therefore the single most impactful measure that could be introduced is one that sees the introduction of regional carcass processing plants (larders) for use by trained hunters, and allied to Government negoiated and retiained Game Dealer contracts to serve said larders.

I’m not so naive as to fail to realise this is not without significant challenges and need for management; I’ve tried for years to gain permission to use the Knole Park deer larder with zero success, but if we are serious about reducing the UK deer population it cannot be without investment from other than the stalker’s pocket.
K
Ps: The above assumes we are not prepared to treat deer like vermin and leave the carcasses in the field to rot.

 

[Pete6.5]

People still think there is money in shooting deer

I realised many many years ago there isn’t, bullets fuel and beer is all you earn

There is if you get paid

 

[bottletopbill]

It is not all about profit or mass slaughter Mr C P and his merry men in green tights will come along with A T V crew.

 

[SussexSteve]

How would I get rid of the 50 or so that I shoot doing it? Because game dealers rightfully don't take out of season deer

Some do

 

[enfieldspares]

Or the alternative, where possible, will be to charge paying rifles (aka guests) what? If £60 for a four hour outing again it's not going to make economic sense to many estates. There's more money in using that stalker's time to look after pheasants. Deduct the stalker's wages and what's left? £10?

Unless there is an equivalent of the old guaranteed price such as with the Thatcher abolished Milk Marketing Board the game will almost become not worth the candle. That's to say the time, fuel, ammunition compared to the price per carcass.

And if the route if this option is too costly? Or it won't play well at all. The taxpayer paying landowners for venison whilst elsewhere folk are queuing at food banks. So the other road is what? Fine estates with a deer density above so many per hectare?

I can foresee an all efforts twelve or eighteen months mass killing to effectively rid an estate of a species that, once more for roe deer at least, have now become almost a "pest" species to be destroyed as merely vermin. This will not end well for the deer

 

[Leec6.5]

Or the alternative, where possible, will be to charge paying rifles (aka guests) what? If £60 for a four hour outing again it's not going to make economic sense to many estates. There's more money in using that stalker's time to look after pheasants. Deduct the stalker's wages and what's left? £10?

Unless there is an equivalent of the old guaranteed price such as with the Thatcher abolished Milk Marketing Board the game will almost become not worth the candle. That's to say the time, fuel, ammunition compared to the price per carcass.

And if the route if this option is too costly? Or it won't play well at all. The taxpayer paying landowners for venison whilst elsewhere folk are queuing at food banks. So the other road is what? Fine estates with a deer density above so many per hectare?

I can foresee an all efforts twelve or eighteen months mass killing to effectively rid an estate of a species that, once more for roe deer at least, have now become almost a "pest" species to be destroyed as merely vermin. This will not end well for the deer

You station guns in seats the deer will just bugger off somewhere else, herd deer DONT do pressure!

 

[StephenToast]

How long do you think the game dealers will take them when huge numbers are shot at night. They already worry at times when you call them to say the larder is full.

Night shooting is happening in Scotland isn't it? How long has that been going on?

Gamedealers are still taking carcasses up there aren't they?

Deer culling should not be dependent on a venison market.

Nobody stops shooting foxes because they can't sell the carcass.

 

[Pete6.5]

Night shooting is happening in Scotland isn't it? How long has that been going on?

Gamedealers are still taking carcasses up there aren't they?

Deer culling should not be dependent on a venison market.

Nobody stops shooting foxes because they can't sell the carcass.

Yes but it's the same market so you're added more deer to the market. I don't think it will be a good idea to leave thousands of deer to rot or bury them.

 

[VSS]

People still think there is money in shooting deer

I realised many many years ago there isn’t, bullets fuel and beer is all you earn

No, that's all you earn!

 

[Pete6.5]

There is a estimated 2 million deer in the UK and a 30 percent average increase each year that's 600000 deer needed to be shot each year just to keep the population as it is. Now they estimate that we cull 350000 at the moment that leaves us with a quarter of a million to find a home for. ( My average carcass weight is 24 kg so I make that 6 thousand ton of venison to go somewhere) i think that's right but I'm sure some of you are better at maths than me.