Ultra Processed Food UFP & modern society

[sauer]

There was a thread deriding a …i shall say it … a fat woman and how she claimed it was difficult to afford food ….. followed by heap of replies that weee as derogatory as f&&k!
Now I get that there is and always will be a section or minority of society or a demographic who will never take accountability of their own actions etc ….. but it’s not all that cut and dried !
If you like a podcast listen to this
One of two list below …(same guy).
Food I believe is medicine and it’s just so f£&ked up in western world it’s unreal … it now global passes tobacco as a global killer ….
Folk go on about “big pharma”
Well food giants are as bad ….
Fresh fruit & veg price per kilo on a par with meat …

We all talk on here about being out of touch with our food and where it comes from …
Studies now saying will power got next to f£&k all to do with it
Also UFP is engineered so when eaten your video doesn’t produce. The chemicals to tell you your full and stop !
If you’re in the car have a listen ….
Next time your in a shop look at label and all E/ numbers and emulsifiers and flavourings etc …

This is contentious I know and it doesn’t remove a person own accountability but when your saved with this your up against it ….

 

[suburban bushwacker]

this is very true. My GF plays earth mother to a gaggle of kids, ask them what they want and they tell you the brand.
we were so scared of Orwell's world we sleepwalked into Huxley's

 

[Nimrod1960]

All about added refined sugar when combined with salt and modified fats more addictive than nicotine.

The entire low natural fat con was driven by the US food conglomerates using sugar even though they knew the harm. A massive scandal which may never come out.

We only eat our own soda bread, takes no time , no additives. Have you read what mass manufactured bread contains?

That other factor being the inability of a large portion of the population to cook from scratch. Domestic science a thing of the past in state schools, replaced by social brain washing and how to blog or tik tok.

 

[Stumpy2]

Read Chris van Tullikens book “Ultra Processed People” https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Processed-People-Stuff-That-Isnt/dp/1529900050

The chapter about coal butter…

An old lass around these parts one said to me, “if I can’t work out what it used to be when I look at it on my plate, I’m not eating it.” I think she’s right

 

[nun_hunter]

That other factor being the inability of a large portion of the population to cook from scratch. Domestic science a thing of the past in state schools, replaced by social brain washing and how to blog or tik tok.

Part of this inability is also due to both parents working full time jobs so having less time and desire to cook meals from scratch every day.

It's not like the old days where hubby came home from a hard days graft, sat down to a hot ready cooked meal then quietly read the paper with no distractions.

If you're single or even just a couple it's often not cost effective to buy raw ingredients as green grocers and butchers have been replaced with supermarkets selling fresh items in bulk.

Potentially rather than blaming the current generations shortcomings on social media it may be more prudent to look at their parents generation as they clearly didn't teach them, and were responsible for setting the curriculum in schools. You wouldn't blame a poorly behaved dog on something arbitrary, you'd blame the person responsible for training it.

 

[plonker]

The facts and harms about ultra processed foods/seed oils have been around for quite a while.
People need to take control of their own lives.
It's not hard to learn to cook basic healthy food it's just people can't be arsed!
It's easier the watch the telly while your frozen lasagne is in the oven than it is to fry off mince/garlic/onion add a good quality tomatoes sauce and boil some pasta, both take the same time

 

[John Gryphon]

Domestic science a thing of the past in state schools, replaced by social brain washing and how to blog or tik tok.

and how to be any gender that you want to be

 

[sauer]

We only eat our own soda bread, takes no time , no additives

Got the recipe ?
I fancy trying that

Read Chris van Tullikens book “Ultra Processed People” https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Processed-People-Stuff-That-Isnt/dp/1529900050

The chapter about coal butter…

An old lass around these parts one said to me, “if I can’t work out what it used to be when I look at it on my plate, I’m not eating it.” I think she’s right

Is the book worth a read ?

Paul

 

[Stumpy2]

Got the recipe ?
I fancy trying that

Is the book worth a read ?

Paul

Absolutely

I’m not normally a book reader, but I couldn’t put it down. A lot more detail than a podcast can convey.

You won’t view fast food the same way…

 

[Len the dog]

Got the recipe ?
I fancy trying that

I use Paul Hollywood's recipe, an absolute doddle to make.

Soda bread recipe

 

[Len the dog]

We only eat our own soda bread, takes no time , no additives. Have you read what mass manufactured bread contains?

I work offshore and a couple of months ago I was popping a couple of slices of bread into the toaster for breakfast, I noticed on the packet that it said Kingsmill Professional and wondered what the difference was. Turns out the best before date on the bag was in 18 months time, I can't even imagine what must go into a loaf of bread to keep it 'fresh' for 18 months.

 

[sauer]

I’m offshore as well len, and you often wonder with costs they get to feed someone for a day how they manage !
18months on bread !? Wow!!!!

 

[phillc]

We almost never go to McDonalds. It must be several years since last we ate there. I dunno what was going on yesterday evening but the family convinced me to go for a McDonalds drive through meal. We only ordered three cheeseburgers and three large fries. Nothing else. The total was >€16. I observed that we could have bought quite enough organic meat to cook on the BBQ for that kind of money, rather than eating crap.

I also had the squirts this morning. It surely had nothing to do with the beers I consumed nor the fact that perhaps I ate the fries with fingers not cleaned after patting the dog. I’m blaming the rubbish food itself.

A little more seriously, I count myself extremely fortunate to have a garden space large enough to grow some of our own food (by no means nearly enough for self sufficiency). Potatoes, onions, strawberries, loads of green salad, cucumber, zucchini, various other berries, a couple of apple trees, tomatoes and yesterday I installed a swarm in my first beehive.

So much shop bought food really is just rubbish and not very healthy at all. I’m sure there’s been published studies showing how bad processed meat is.

 

[LuckyEddie]

My mum’s garden.
Wish I was closer but sadly to far for me to take over, what a feast we used to have.
Even had a greenhouse where my dad grew grapes, tomatoes and cucumbers.

The other thing I have heard recently is that although there are still the same numbers of cancers detect, the age group has shifted to the 35-50s but I may have the age range slightly awry.
Due to the UPF?

 

[GBR66]

I use Paul Hollywood's recipe, an absolute doddle to make.

Soda bread recipe

I will be trying that....thanks!

 

[Len the dog]

I will be trying that....thanks!

You can also pimp it up, try adding some grated cheese and chillies, or even olives or sun dried tomatoes. Basically, you can throw whatever you like into it.

 

[Apthorpe]

I also had the squirts this morning. It surely had nothing to do with the beers I consumed nor the fact that perhaps I ate the fries with fingers not cleaned after patting the dog. I’m blaming the rubbish food itsel

It almost certainly will have been the food. You'll already be acclimatised to the dog's germs and the beers.
I uses to live near a McDonalds and realising the risk told my kid from an early age that McDonalds isn't a restaurant, it's a place for ill people. She'd question it from time to time and it wasn't too hard to get out of:
"Of course it's like a hospital, look at all those police cars in the car park" or "You see those people coming out of it right now, you think they look healthy?"
Result: she's only been to MCDonalds twice. Once for ice cream when she had tonsillitis, and was ill and allowed to go. But only one visit in 8yrs otherwise. Even better she tells her friends that it is disgusting, for people who are "really ill and superfat".

 

[suburban bushwacker]

Part of this inability is also due to both parents working full time jobs so having less time and desire to cook meals from scratch every day.

It's not like the old days where hubby came home from a hard days graft, sat down to a hot ready cooked meal then quietly read the paper with no distractions.

If you're single or even just a couple it's often not cost effective to buy raw ingredients as green grocers and butchers have been replaced with supermarkets selling fresh items in bulk.

Potentially rather than blaming the current generations shortcomings on social media it may be more prudent to look at their parents generation as they clearly didn't teach them, and were responsible for setting the curriculum in schools. You wouldn't blame a poorly behaved dog on something arbitrary, you'd blame the person responsible for training it.

Way back in the 90's I realised that the women I was dating were the daughters of 1970's feminists who had stridently told them "cooking used to be called women's work, you will never have to do it" They didn't seem to be that enamoured with the old beans on toast, so having seen the Ipcress File at an impressionable age, I took leaning to to cook seriously.
Later when, thanks to Keith Floyd, cooking became the competitive sport of middle class men, with prizes for rarest ingredients, most expensive knife etc, I learned to stalk deer.

 

[Len the dog]

My son was in his mid teens before he ventured into Maccy D’s, prior to that he would quote my mantra to anyone that McDonalds turn your brain to mush.
He only began visiting because one of his school friends always insisted on the place, likely because his mother brought him up on a diet of fast food because she was too lazy to cook.
Nowadays (aged 19) he is more likely to fix himself something to eat than indulge in such utter garbage, his particular favourite is a pigeon, black pudding and rocket wrap.

 

[Nimrod1960]

Got the recipe ?
I fancy trying that

Is the book worth a read ?

Paul

Soda Bread
For one loaf.
Three small cups of flour.
I use one cup each of whole grain, strong whole meal, strong white.
I use Mattews Cotswold flours (Tesco)
I tsb salt
I tsb bicarb
good handful of mixed seeds.
Three tbl spoons of plain yoghurt in cup topped up with water and mixed.
mix well dry then add liquid, kneed gently until bowl is clean (add little water or extra flour until feels right)

Bake in loaf tin at 180c for 35mins.

I also slice with electric disk slicer ( easier to manage consumption , ie to avoid eating great warm chuncks with butter straight away )

Also make sweet ones with nuts and fruit,

loads of ideas out there , experiment, enjoy.