Varget availability

Cyres

Well-Known Member
Today I spoke to James at Blue Fox Glade and asked about Varget. Apparently there is a big shipment due in very soon and there will be more than enough to fill back orders and to supply everybody who wants it.

Now we have all heard this before so my two tubs are closely guarded however should it be true then there will be a lot of very happy reloaders in the UK.

D
 
Wonder if the ones who now are happy with the none usa powder drift back to it ??? :roll: then to find out it all go's tits again :doh:
 
When I started reloading last year I sourced two tubs of Varget from a shop quite local to me. Hearing about the problems with supply I went with a different powder instead and left the varget alone...... Glad I did as the alternative is readily available and produces super accurate rounds for me!
 
Hope you get some. We have very sporadic supplies. One of our biggest shops locally got in 10 pounds last time; it was gone in minutes.~Muir
 
Today I spoke to James at Blue Fox Glade and asked about Varget. Apparently there is a big shipment due in very soon and there will be more than enough to fill back orders and to supply everybody who wants it.
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Err, I don't want rain on anybody's parade, but Edgar Brothers currently have 15,000lb of VarGet on back-order from Kansas and don't realistically expect to see a fraction of that amount this lifetime. (Also, don't forget Edgars isn't just the UK importer / distributor for IMR / Hodgdon / Alliant; they do that job for all of Europe, so it's not just us waiting for the next and subsequent shipments.)

I'm sure there will be more coming, but it'll still be a case of early birds and worms and all that stuff and the lucky retail outlets on Egdar Bros' favoured status lists will be sold out as soon as you can say 'greased weasels'. FWIW I let a mate on the GB FTR team have my last 3 1/2 tins at what I paid for them and stocked up on Reload Swiss RS50 and 52 instead.
 
Err, I don't want rain on anybody's parade, but Edgar Brothers currently have 15,000lb of VarGet on back-order from Kansas and don't realistically expect to see a fraction of that amount this lifetime. (Also, don't forget Edgars isn't just the UK importer / distributor for IMR / Hodgdon / Alliant; they do that job for all of Europe, so it's not just us waiting for the next and subsequent shipments.)

I'm sure there will be more coming, but it'll still be a case of early birds and worms and all that stuff and the lucky retail outlets on Egdar Bros' favoured status lists will be sold out as soon as you can say 'greased weasels'. FWIW I let a mate on the GB FTR team have my last 3 1/2 tins at what I paid for them and stocked up on Reload Swiss RS50 and 52 instead.

I didn't want to be so blunt you are right. Wishful thinking. So many large retailers here in the US are back ordered. It trickles in a few pounds at a time. As I mentioned in my post, a very large store in my region that out sells Cabelas got in 10 pounds over the last 5 months. Gone in an afternoon.~Muir
 
I haven't seen any here for over a year now . There have been a few small shipments but they're gone the same day . Luckily , we get plenty of Reloaded 15 and IMR 4064 which I can use in the same range of cartridges . That being said , I'd buy up as much Varget as I could get my hands on . It's a great powder .

AB
 
I haven't seen any here for over a year now . There have been a few small shipments but they're gone the same day . Luckily , we get plenty of Reloaded 15 and IMR 4064 which I can use in the same range of cartridges . That being said , I'd buy up as much Varget as I could get my hands on . It's a great powder .

AB
I have 4-5 pounds of it but I save it for the 7-08. In 308 I have switched to 4064 which -as you pointed out- is plentiful and gives me pretty much identical performance and accuracy as Varget. I watched on another web site last winter, a fellow paying roughly $800 for an partial 8Lb keg of Varget. It's hard to fathom that level of crazy with so many other good powders on the shelves.~Muir
 
Not a problem getting any of the ADI powders here. Even with some folks hoarding, it is always available when I've needed some in the last few years. I believe production is increased so a lot of ar2208 (varget) is going somewhere.

Sharkey
 
Not a problem getting any of the ADI powders here.
Sharkey

I'd hope not since they're made in your country! :-D The main problem with ADI manufactured / Hodgdon brand powders has been transportation. For some reason or other, restrictions on on-board shipping quantities of explosives have been applied to vessels that call in at New Zealand. We're told there is only one shipping line that will carry explosives from Oz to the US and its vessels are all routed via NZ.
 
As someone who has been involved in the business of shipping all over the world, including explosives, and including Port Adelaide, any restrictions of shipping are a ruse, because smokeless gunpowder is not an explosive. Al sorts of more volatile materials are shipped every day.
 
As someone who has been involved in the business of shipping all over the world, including explosives, and including Port Adelaide, any restrictions of shipping are a ruse, because smokeless gunpowder is not an explosive. Al sorts of more volatile materials are shipped every day.
Any theories then?~Muir
 
Like the bullet manufacturers, the powder manufacturers say that the problem is demand. There seems to be more to it than that, as .22 ammunition, powder, and bullets just don't seem to show up on the store shelves.

There are all sorts of regulations for how different weights of smokeless powders must be packaged and stored. For example, once you have more than 800 lbs on site, you have to have an entirely different building. So distributors and retailers have to carefully manage their orders and timing.
This is from a press release written by Chris Hodgdon May 17, 2009:

Why is there a powder shortage and when will it end?

The answer is really quite simple. In November 2008 a liberal government was elected by the majority of voting Americans. Beginning the next day some of our fellow shooters began to purchase and stock-pile powder, primers, bullets, brass, ammo and guns. Soon word spread person to person and with the ease of communication through the internet enough shooters ran to join in that an unprecedented demand has occurred.

Literally within weeks – before the end of November, the distribution pipeline was empty and demand far outstripped supply. The manufacturers of our industry, including Hodgdon® Powder Company, ordered new supplies trying to meet customer needs. We have been working at maximum capacity since that time.
There is no more capacity to make powder. We are currently making all burn speeds of Hodgdon®, IMR® and Winchester® powders. We are shipping these powders as soon as they are made and packaged. We are shipping every day.

Some will ask why we do not build more plants. The answer is simple, time. There is no time to build the plant before the unprecedented demand for powder slows down.
I have received calls from shooters who have heard all kinds of rumors why powder is so hard to find. These rumors are not true; there is no vast government conspiracy, the military is not buying up all of the powder and other components, we are not withholding powder from the market, no ships carrying powder are being held hostage by pirates, there is no magic chemical we are being forced to include in the powder which would shorten the shelf life.

---- from Alliant, November 20, 2009 -----

Where the greatest amount of powder is going is for the manufacturing of ammunition for the civilian market. Companies such as Winchester, Remington, Speer/CCI, Federal Hornady are using most. Throw on top of that all the small remanufactured ammunition companies across the country and the demand for powder is extremely high. There are signs of an easing in this extreme demand. More ammunition is found on the shelves today than there was 8 months ago. Primer orders are dropping off. Finally, gun sales are way down today compared to recent times. Having worked in retail in the past, we saw similar situations with ammunition and primers. Those periods lasted a maximum of 18 months. We are currently into this about 18 months. If historical trends follow through, then we should be seeing an easing in this extreme demand soon.
Thanks,

Shoot Straight
DuaneVB
CCI/SPEER/ALLIANT POWDER
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID
 
Like the bullet manufacturers, the powder manufacturers say that the problem is demand. There seems to be more to it than that, as .22 ammunition, powder, and bullets just don't seem to show up on the store shelves.

There are all sorts of regulations for how different weights of smokeless powders must be packaged and stored. For example, once you have more than 800 lbs on site, you have to have an entirely different building. So distributors and retailers have to carefully manage their orders and timing.
This is from a press release written by Chris Hodgdon May 17, 2009:

Why is there a powder shortage and when will it end?

The answer is really quite simple. In November 2008 a liberal government was elected by the majority of voting Americans. Beginning the next day some of our fellow shooters began to purchase and stock-pile powder, primers, bullets, brass, ammo and guns. Soon word spread person to person and with the ease of communication through the internet enough shooters ran to join in that an unprecedented demand has occurred.

Literally within weeks – before the end of November, the distribution pipeline was empty and demand far outstripped supply. The manufacturers of our industry, including Hodgdon® Powder Company, ordered new supplies trying to meet customer needs. We have been working at maximum capacity since that time.
There is no more capacity to make powder. We are currently making all burn speeds of Hodgdon®, IMR® and Winchester® powders. We are shipping these powders as soon as they are made and packaged. We are shipping every day.

Some will ask why we do not build more plants. The answer is simple, time. There is no time to build the plant before the unprecedented demand for powder slows down.
I have received calls from shooters who have heard all kinds of rumors why powder is so hard to find. These rumors are not true; there is no vast government conspiracy, the military is not buying up all of the powder and other components, we are not withholding powder from the market, no ships carrying powder are being held hostage by pirates, there is no magic chemical we are being forced to include in the powder which would shorten the shelf life.

---- from Alliant, November 20, 2009 -----

Where the greatest amount of powder is going is for the manufacturing of ammunition for the civilian market. Companies such as Winchester, Remington, Speer/CCI, Federal Hornady are using most. Throw on top of that all the small remanufactured ammunition companies across the country and the demand for powder is extremely high. There are signs of an easing in this extreme demand. More ammunition is found on the shelves today than there was 8 months ago. Primer orders are dropping off. Finally, gun sales are way down today compared to recent times. Having worked in retail in the past, we saw similar situations with ammunition and primers. Those periods lasted a maximum of 18 months. We are currently into this about 18 months. If historical trends follow through, then we should be seeing an easing in this extreme demand soon.
Thanks,

Shoot Straight
DuaneVB
CCI/SPEER/ALLIANT POWDER
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID

Really? That was 2009. Where T-F has the powder and components been over the last six years? Factory ammo is a glut on the shelves except for 22LR and 22WMR. When multiple national distributors are saying "Unavailable from Manufacturer" you can bet it isn't being made.... or at least being distributed.~Muir
 
I am still looking for the answer, myself, Muir. I see the sources being moved all about. IMR powders, originally made by DuPont, are one year made in the US, then in Canada, then somewhere else. A lot has happened since 2009, like the Dept of Homeland Security buying billions of rounds of ammunition. Hornady was making almost nothing but military bullets for a while.
 
I am still looking for the answer, myself, Muir. I see the sources being moved all about. IMR powders, originally made by DuPont, are one year made in the US, then in Canada, then somewhere else. A lot has happened since 2009, like the Dept of Homeland Security buying billions of rounds of ammunition. Hornady was making almost nothing but military bullets for a while.

And there is a key. To keep in existence ammo makers who supply the Government had to sign a deal with the devil to give proprietary consideration the them above before their commercial interests. I do believe that they have been humping to fulfill those obligations. ~Muir
 
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