VARIATION -- POLICE SCOTLAND AUTHORITY FOR FIREARMS TO BE USED ON LAND FORM 😡

[rab19]

Hi All,

Don't know if this is Police Scotland's new make it up as we go along procedure but I received this back in the post a week after I put in for a variation.
If anyone is thinking of applying ask for the forms first from the FEO as I cannot find them on the website and save yourself a week waiting........
Not happy as I have an open license already for a number of years and applying for a +1 .22lr.

If you note the last sentence "Applicants are not compelled to use this form". BUT on the covering letter from the Firearms department it states that "on receipt of this, I will then be able to process your application"

So now have to go around my perms and ask for them to be filled in and I can guess one or two are not going to be happy about giving personal details to the "POLIS" (Dundonian)

 

[mealiejimmy]

Ignore it.
It has absolutely no legal standing so continue to use whatever paperwork you already have for your permissions
Pre- Police Scotland, Grampian Police tried to use this form but backed down when forced to admit it was not an official document

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Stalker62]

If it worries you so much, just do not fill it in...

 

[Stalker62]

If you note the last sentence "Applicants are not compelled to use this form".

The way I see it, you have two choices...

 

[paul o']

 

[Eddie P]

Staffs had similar, I only needed one permission to fill it in, I sent the farmer it with a stamped envelop and followed with a bottle of port.
Is it a fight worth having?

 

[User00040]

Hi All,

Don't know if this is Police Scotland's new make it up as we go along procedure but I received this back in the post a week after I put in for a variation.
If anyone is thinking of applying ask for the forms first from the FEO as I cannot find them on the website and save yourself a week waiting........
Not happy as I have an open license already for a number of years and applying for a +1 .22lr.

If you note the last sentence "Applicants are not compelled to use this form". BUT on the covering letter from the Firearms department it states that "on receipt of this, I will then be able to process your application"

So now have to go around my perms and ask for them to be filled in and I can guess one or two are not going to be happy about giving personal details to the "POLIS" (Dundonian)

Email the chief constable and copy in all the firearm licensing departments asking if this is official policy.

Since Scotland only has one force (unlike Englandshire), they have to be unified across the country and can't make it up as they go.

 

[cjm1066]

Staffs had similar, I only needed one permission to fill it in, I sent the farmer it with a stamped envelop and followed with a bottle of port.
Is it a fight worth having?

No not if you want an easy and speedy renewal.

Yes, if you want Parliament to make the law and the Police to apply them.

We don't want to live in a Police state

 

[long_range_rob]

Send them off with a request that they actually read the law and don’t try to make it up.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Tell them no.
They make **** up all the time. I had one ask me to get permission to use thermal from all my land owners lol.
They also wanted my main permissions in writing.
They got neither. They were told who they were and that they could phone them if they liked.
Total joke.

 

[Bowland blades]

I tend to fill in what is legally required , yet tell them much more than i need to .
We really shouldn't do more than the Law says when it comes to forms or it soon becomes the normal by default. If they need it now and didn't when you where granted yet is not required by law ............. Is that because they cannot get it through legally ? Or just that they are exceeding their authority ? In doing so they are raising operating procedures hence raising the cost of licensing ( something that should be unthinkable at the current state of the economy )

 

[25 Sharps]

Hi All,

Don't know if this is Police Scotland's new make it up as we go along procedure but I received this back in the post a week after I put in for a variation.
If anyone is thinking of applying ask for the forms first from the FEO as I cannot find them on the website and save yourself a week waiting........
Not happy as I have an open license already for a number of years and applying for a +1 .22lr.

If you note the last sentence "Applicants are not compelled to use this form". BUT on the covering letter from the Firearms department it states that "on receipt of this, I will then be able to process your application"

So now have to go around my perms and ask for them to be filled in and I can guess one or two are not going to be happy about giving personal details to the "POLIS" (Dundonian)

I suspect if you have written permission from one landowner (or more if that one piece of land doesn't support your good reason, i.e. only permission for rabbits not deer) and submit that they will have no issue. If you only, for example, give names addresses and phone numbers of landowners meaning they have to do the legwork for themselves your application will get delayed.

Ultimately you need to be able to document your good reason, provided you can do this and everything else is in place your renewal will go through. When I did my last renewal an RFD friend of mine, also an ex FEO, said to go around and get updated permissions from everyone ( 7 landowners / tenants, 2 clubs - I have a few guns to justify) to make their life easy. Great advice as it went through without a hitch in something like 12 weeks, 8 weeks before expiry.

In short provide a letter to cover all of your firearms use, or more than one, you can't be forced to use the quasi-official form and I'd suspect you'll have no problem.

 

[LuckyEddie]

I’ve got a friend applying for his first FAC in South Lanarkshire.
I’ll check his application